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Steam VS FAKE Games! - The Know Game News



Valve is making promises (again) to do something about all those fake Steam games out there. Only this time, they invited Jim Sterling and TotalBiscuit to their offices to talk about the changes they're going to make. Will Steam Explorers be the cure for Steam's problem with crappy games?

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Автор Ax Cn ( назад)
That's one ugly dude. Geez!

Автор BloodReaperWolf ( назад)
just remove the downvote system that will be abused as you suggested replace just the downvote setup with combined "Unique Views of X": with the upvotes so IE you have 300 unique views to 20 upvotes you may have an issue or a very niche market.

Автор Lars Mattsson ( назад)
I hope that ones playing the new games only get the type of games they like. Me for example would downvote an FPS unless it´s super super super good (Portal 2 level, if that counts as an FPS :))
Anyhow, 'someone that never plays a genre should not be the one testing it.

Автор mjl1966y ( назад)
What's wrong with just letting buyers determine the market? Good games get an audience; bad games don't. As a publisher, Steam can cut the games that aren't performing. Why does this have to be so complicated? If a game is truly a fraudulent posting, then a simple refund policy should take care of that (7 days to refund any game) and games that get a lot of refunds are simply cut from the catalog. Of course, I come from the days when you had to buy games in the store on floppy and publishers actually vetted, promoted and distributed their catalog. (Yes, I said floppy.)

Автор DecemberLoved ( назад)
Thanks for bringing this information to people!

Автор Charles Wiley ( назад)
fat white guy

Автор Jobake ( назад)
Ashley that t-shirt really does justice. *wink*

Автор averagegilo ( назад)
Wow, that is a woodsman's beard

Автор Paikea Apirana ( назад)
Simply stop letting people submit games to the steam store, completely. Only allow big companies like EA, Blizzard and other big names submit games. Problem solved.

Автор momizi hardwired on caffeine ( назад)
as long as I get to play the games for a day for free I'm tired of buying crap

most games in general are crap these days

Автор Paris Arnett ( назад)
more like PC Master Crooks

Автор Johanna Korhonen ( назад)
I think it's good to try new ways to make Steam better. One can only learn through trial and error at this point, and I have trust in them to keep trying!

Автор Elbaz8 ( назад)
Wow, nice beard!

Автор Bangcat ( назад)
incentive to finish sale for reviewers is a bad idea. There's suppose to be disclosure laws about that already for a reason.

Автор John Doe ( назад)
The ending skit was painful. How is it funny to watch someone read an obviously scripted hamfisted joke about how stupid this guy is that he can't say 'deluge' properly (HAHA MEN ARE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!).

Автор BlackRayPlayer ( назад)
No

Автор wolf12king ( назад)
prepare for the worse hope for the best

Автор Onyx Gaming ( назад)
Like most things this relies, to a degree, on the honour system. I think its a good idea that Valve is trying to tackle this issue and I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out

Автор Beer Me ( назад)
Total Biscuit is still alive??

Автор GamerGeek TV ( назад)
*cough*

No Man's Sky

Автор Zaiko LeBolsh ( назад)
Step 1: ask for donations/give keys for cash
Step 2: pay the fee
Step 3: PROFIT

Автор Toby Monaghan-Gray ( назад)
So reading between the lines, it's basically reviews without the depth?

Автор Geekymutt ( назад)
As someone who wants to try their hand at making a game, I'm curious to see how the new steam game submission will work out

Автор wesmatron ( назад)
So a small handfull of people will get to dictate what is pushed to the top of Steam? No chance of back-handers and corruption there then. Just make a separate platform for indy games.

Автор Aiden is all Knowing ( назад)
So.... Developers will pay off explorers and curators to bump their games?

Автор I like to Draw stuff ( назад)
so basicly yelp but for games? oh god watch people start thinking they are some important game reviewers

Автор That Other Guy ( назад)
Can't be worse than greenlight, I know that

Автор Thunder Kat ( назад)
Well, at least it's a start. It's better then nothing, but hopefully it gets improved over time, meaning trial and error.

Автор Dom Wilsher ( назад)
Well, when you sign up as an explorer, you could have the option to select genres you do/dont like and steam will set up your lists based on that- it gets rid of the downvoting based on genre problem

Автор Mulberryman ( назад)
what about those people who believe that a particular genre should only ever have one game in it and EVERY other game in that genre is a rip-off/clone {cough} minecraft fanboys {cough}

Автор Stunt Panda ( назад)
The major issue on Steam is Early Access games never being finished.

Автор Shadow60f ( назад)
I don't really use steam much less create games but I hope they implement a fair price on putting games into steam, some people who are just starting out could stand to lose a lot of money and although I highly appreciate why their doing this it seems harsh to basically punish the genuine creators by making them pay a small ransom, maybe they could ask for that fee and as incentive give it back if the game makes a killing proving that it's actually a genuine game and as punishment for people wasting the time and virtual space of the steam store and it's customers, that way it means the people making real good games aren't being punished by steam while content flippers are severely punished for their horrendous crimes to all gamer's out there on steam and it means steam will also earn cashflow from the scum while getting good content which will also ironically make them money, a win win dood. :D

Автор Thinus Kruger ( назад)
That beard is majestic.

Автор Brandon Hart ( назад)
This sounds really cool! Steam could help combat the bias loophole by having these explorers get outside of their comfort zones & try different games that while they may not be their cup of tea at least you could get a relatively honest answer. Now whether you force them through quotas or give them more incentives (which is probably the better option) I don't know but it could definitely help.

Автор jay Milia ( назад)
but if steam only has good games, then funhaus will be out of content! :'(

Автор Mixiv ( назад)
well i hope its better than the current system: based on your history of playing goat simulator (for an hour) why not play tank dating simulator except for simulator i don't think these are similar

Автор Baconman 187 ( назад)
Totoro shirt ftw!

Автор Raven Pope ( назад)
Make it to where curators put down their preference for genre when they sign up. That way, they will get games on their virtual desk that they will fairly curate those games. Users can look at certain genres, and they can follow curators of genres they enjoy. There- people will not downvote entire genres because they don't like the genre. Curators for specific genres they sign up for. AND, a curator cannot downvote or upvote a game they haven't had a certain amount of playtime in. To counteract letting your computer sit for the time in the game, you can implement a skip and a save for later mechanism.

Автор Dimetris Blanchard ( назад)
When did santa get a nose ring?

Автор Johnny Belcher ( назад)
Ashley, where can I get that shirt?

Автор Quasaricemage ( назад)
Hmm...perhaps address issues like ARK? Gamers paying for a game in development....yet STILL unfinished and with major graphics and game play issues FOUR YEARS later?

Автор SirShizuka ( назад)
It's a weird situation, it is a parallel economy where some people grind out the system to actually make money from steam cards, it's likely a lot of work or requires a fair amount of skill to create and control bots. It is a functional pyramidal economy where the new comers, Watanabe's, curious or collectors bring in fresh money. Steam and the people farming it, or even just the casual with too many cards who don't care just sell them for a € here and there so everyone gains from it. And of course the people who sell the shovelware that feed the system with crappy games with cards for as cheap as possible also make money. So everyone gains from the system, even if in such a tiny amount most people don't care. As all modern blooming economy there is a cost on the planet, all that computer power and internet traffic for crappy games people just download and run for the cards but don't play, all that uses energy, a lot of energy. The other downside if of course that 99% of games are crap and that makes it harder to find good ones maybe.

Автор gordanzzzz ( назад)
Steam is going to get even more money frome develepers are u people blind?

Автор Vernon Ray ( назад)
beauty and the beast

Автор ALFREDO DE LA ROSA AGUIRRE ( назад)
what happen with Mika??
I miss her

Автор Kaji Sagara ( назад)
fee and a special roman system....

Автор JustAllinOneResource ( назад)
Is Valve going to PAY those people for going through the new submissions, or is this just another attempt by Valve to take advantage of free labor?

Also, how will Valve be keeping an eye on those who are viewing the new submissions to not be bought by the dishonest game developers out there?

Developer "Hey, I am willing to pay you $100.00 dollars, and can you give my game a good thumbs up?"

Unpaid Employee "Sure, who are you btw?"

Developer "P. Romine."

Employee "oh, are you related to Robert Romine, and were you a part of Digital Homicide?"

Developer: No, just same last name, and no, I was never part of Digital Homicide.

Unpaid Employee "Sure I'll give you a thumbs up, and send it along to be past. Also, the $100.00 dollars can be sent to me via normal means, and thanks."

Developer: "Thanks. How long do I have to wait until I get an answer on this once you pass it along?"

Employee: "Not long, and do you have extra keys I can spread around with my friends to give it a try, and maybe stream some good reviews for you?"

Developer: "Sure, I'll send them too you via PM when you are ready."

Employee: "Thanks.... Okay I just sent off the information, and you should be seeing something positive soon."

Developer: "Thanks, and chat later."

Unpaid Employee: "Cheers."

Автор rodney phillips ( назад)
Microsoft Sony and Nintendo already have answer to that, submission fees so they can hire their own testers to make sure of quality

Автор Derp! ( назад)
Heeeeeeehheeeeeee their's a Viking in our presence. 🙊

Автор andres chapa ( назад)
steam adding goddamn app games from android and ios wtf

Автор Fizzy Quizzler ( назад)
now if only the Android store and the Iphone market can do the same. both of these stores are equally as terrible.

Автор staris84 ( назад)
Hopefully the system takes into consideration the types of genres a person seems to like. Example if I'm not big on fps and me down voting such a game that should take that into consideration, where as if I upvote one could mean its an fps that has gone above and beyond your typical fps.

Don't know that it has to mean someone branching out of their typical genres has to mean something extra, aka valued more. Though you could expect there will be those that upvote simply because a game is in a genre they like. So could at least be displayed as its own value, here is the number of upvotes for people that usually aren't big into this genre, here is the overall ratio.

Or the potential to show the ratio for people who have similar genre types to the user as well as the regular overall. That way getting a value from 'like minded' users could more valuable, regardless of the general populous liking or not liking a game.

Автор Ivan Esquilin Jr. ( назад)
They should just hire people to check out the games. I'm talking about a dedicated QA team that way there is no prejudice. That would probably have to be 20-30 people and it would delay things, but, they wouldn't have to play a game to completion to test it. 2-5 people play the final build, pre-released versions for about 30 minutes. I believe that's a good solution.

I'm sure Valve and Steam have a QA team so they could work this there somehow.

Автор Weasle GoftheToftheX ( назад)
Yeah, we need a report developer button.

Автор Ivan Esquilin Jr. ( назад)
In response to TitanFallout's comment: Donald Trump, "We're going to have EXTREME VETTING OF ALL INDIE DEVELOPERS! We're gonna let the good ones on to the platform and BOMB THE HELL OUT OF THE BAD ONES!!!! . . . . . . . . . . MICROSOFT! . . . Microsoft is going to PAY. FOR. THE. FIREWALL!!!!! WE'RE GOING TO MAKE STEAM GREAT AGAIN! YOU MAY EVEN GET TIRED OF WINNING with SO MANY BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL games.




Ivanka and I will work so many late hours into the night to make. Steam. great. again! *bing* *bong* *bang* *bang*"

Автор HD x EXoThERMiA ( назад)
I'm not sure I want the cream from the crap tank.

Автор MrRexthegamer ( назад)
yeaaa... the free to play section has become a trash bin, anything beyond page 7 is just horrible browser games

Автор Spuddcake ( назад)
Probably been asked before but where is the "HOOYAA!!" sound in the intro from? Pappa needs a new text notification!!

Автор Magemo ( назад)
Cities Skyline with a controller ... HAHAHAHAHA

Автор Alexis Francisco ( назад)
Oh yay. Jim Sterling has my trust on his viewpoints on how games should be. Valve needs direct policing on their content. TotalBiscuit has some issues with game performance, but I'm mostly in agreement with his viewpoints as well. 60 FPS at the very least should definitely be the norm. We'll cross the 120 FPS wall when 60 FPS becomes much more prevalent that 30 FPS.

Автор LionRS2014 ( назад)
Jesus could you at least look interested?

Автор Neto JON ( назад)
greenlight will end, its on their forums

Автор Ren Cen ( назад)
I guess this means we will no longer see crappy company like Digital Sucide clones for making quick bucks.

Автор Ahapid ( назад)
what will happen to the cracked games? and accounts that played cracked games? (spacewar)...

Автор Tony Ayre ( назад)
Kinda wish you guys were sat on a sofa rather than stood up. Sometimes looks awkward stood up.

Автор tom wikwayer ( назад)
it the first time in my life a see real viking

Автор Jaevwyn ( назад)
this channel actually does non-mass effect videos?

Автор TheLinkoln18 ( назад)
Easy way, offer a 7 day free trial,........ on all games... sorted.

Автор Blazekingz ( назад)
Bane? XD didnt know totalbiscuit was a batman villian. You'd think they'd spell his name either right or wrong and not both within like 3 sentences

Автор Mikosch2 ( назад)
Steam vs. Fake Games? You mean, they banned Half-Life 3?

Автор themikead99 ( назад)
What if the curators select their favorite game genres and those are the ones they rate? That way, massive genres get voted on by a large number of people and the percentage of majority decides which games will be promoted more, and small genres get the same thing except with fewer people voting. Of course this does leave the possibility open that so few people are in a genre, that they could be muscled into promoting specific games, but in the long run the chance is better with this system than with a large majority not liking a genre. (or you could add a "don't vote" button for genres curators don't like.)

Автор Davide Mascolo ( назад)
All of this sounds good... Possibily too good. Also doubtful whether they'll really launch at least Steam Direct within this spring or not. "Wait and see" is the only option.

Автор Games4Kickz ( назад)
With the public tagging every barbie game as a horror, nudity, adult content, etc...I can see no possible way of the same public abusing Explorer 😆 If not for their bias to a genre then for the laughs 😆

Автор Nito Chira ( назад)
They should kick Vikings: Wolves of midgard then, this game is exactly what you guys just posted. Bit amazing no media has taken this one up. It's been a cash grab seens day one, promies a lot more then it delivers and still keeps showing new flaws. It's more a No Man Sky then anything.

Автор Jack Pepper ( назад)
They should've filmed them visiting Steam HQ and parodied Charlies and the Chocolate Factory with Gabe limping out and then eating a sausage roll. 'Cos I doubt he could do a forward roll.

Автор TerroristPenguin ( назад)
Steam will have the explorers play the titles in the genres they have an affinity for. If you watched/read the info those youtubers put out you'd have learned that, rather than getting that info 3rd hand.

Автор Azura Moonstar ( назад)
any chance on doing a story for ff14 daddy of light? or the new stormblood expansion back coming in june?
Or the wwe event for ff14? Or the arg?

Автор Wilddog73 ( назад)
Diggy diggy Dwarf, Diggy diggy Dwarf!

Автор Poptartsicles ( назад)
A simple way to help niche games still rise is by just adding a 3rd option. "I liked it", "I didn't like it", and "Not interested". So if it's a game that might be good but you don't care for the genre at all (eg: I don't like fighting games), just choose "Not interested." That way the niche game won't get hate or love, it'll merely get knocked down a peg in popularity, not quality.

Автор mc94mc94 ( назад)
Ashley just does´nt want visual novels to die :D

Автор Tristan Zipp ( назад)
They're not "fake" lol, they're just crappy

Автор Scorch251 ( назад)
i can finally search for games on steam now? such a joke trying to find something when its always dogshit pixel snes games with a 5 min gimmick

Автор Green Bow ( назад)
If Steam goes bust, do we lose all our games?

Автор RiorXD ( назад)
compensatig would be finding a person thats interested in that genre and having them only work in that genre. saving allot of headaches and downvotes that dont belong. duh

Автор Luke Leynard ( назад)
omg Ashley <3 :D

Автор Smirqs Edits ( назад)
i dont know why but ive seen that big guy like 10 times and he still scared me a lil for some reason

Автор matimax12 ( назад)
they should just force Devs to have a free trial for every new game that would fix a lot of issues

Автор Asellia Rastanbul ( назад)
As far as systems with the explorers; have explorers list genres they like, or tags, and then only let them vote on games of those genres.

Автор BlondElin ( назад)
Omg, that such a cute shirt Ashley is having! Never seen a crossover with Totoro and Hello Kitty befor :D

Автор TyGonJinn 1977 ( назад)
hey Adam r u gonna be visiting the icp game con. better kick all of the asses!

Автор Godminnette2 ( назад)
"Kotaku reported that..."
Why not just source TB's video itself, where he literally lays out everything in a methodical manner, instead of taking one of the least reliable gaming "journalism" sites' word for it?

Автор Lunessia ( назад)
Why not prevemt steam developers from being able to give out keys pre-greenlight?

Автор Slothy ( назад)
Curators can only communicate with steam and all users cannot contact curators.
Curators can only curate games with matching genres within their library that have over a certain amounts of time AND achievement percentage based on a curve of their own achievements and time played across all games.

Автор MortifiedDumplin ( назад)
I could do the curators thing, I don't have a whole lot to do on a daily basis and my tastes in games can be boiled down to "If I enjoy it I'll play it regardless of biases". I'll have to try and sign up.

Автор A2B ( назад)
There will be no good system as long as there is no competitor for Steam.

Автор Marok ( назад)
Steam Direct not hating it..but it is a more DIRECT upfront cost. Love Steam and I respect them... least they make sure they help others and do not turn into a Nocculus or Facelessbook monster.

Автор vladoportos ( назад)
As explorer do you need to pay for the games to review them ? if so, what is the point.. paying steam for doing their job ?

Автор ZZ Unlisted ( назад)
Ashley is so pretty

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