Steam VS FAKE Games! - The Know Game News

  • Опубликовано: 4 апр 2017
  • Valve is making promises (again) to do something about all those fake Steam games out there. Only this time, they invited Jim Sterling and TotalBiscuit to their offices to talk about the changes they're going to make. Will Steam Explorers be the cure for Steam's problem with crappy games?
    Written By: Brian Gaar
    Edited By: Kdin Jenzen
    Hosted By: Ashley Jenkins & Adam Ellis
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Комментарии • 465

  • Ax Cn
    Ax Cn Год назад

    That's one ugly dude. Geez!

  • BloodReaperWolf
    BloodReaperWolf Год назад

    just remove the downvote system that will be abused as you suggested replace just the downvote setup with combined "Unique Views of X": with the upvotes so IE you have 300 unique views to 20 upvotes you may have an issue or a very niche market.

  • Lars Mattsson
    Lars Mattsson Год назад

    I hope that ones playing the new games only get the type of games they like. Me for example would downvote an FPS unless it´s super super super good (Portal 2 level, if that counts as an FPS :))
    Anyhow, 'someone that never plays a genre should not be the one testing it.

  • mjl1966y
    mjl1966y Год назад

    What's wrong with just letting buyers determine the market? Good games get an audience; bad games don't. As a publisher, Steam can cut the games that aren't performing. Why does this have to be so complicated? If a game is truly a fraudulent posting, then a simple refund policy should take care of that (7 days to refund any game) and games that get a lot of refunds are simply cut from the catalog. Of course, I come from the days when you had to buy games in the store on floppy and publishers actually vetted, promoted and distributed their catalog. (Yes, I said floppy.)

  • DecemberLoved
    DecemberLoved Год назад

    Thanks for bringing this information to people!

  • Charles Wiley
    Charles Wiley Год назад

    fat white guy

  • Jobake_Live
    Jobake_Live Год назад

    Ashley that t-shirt really does justice. *wink*

  • averagegilo
    averagegilo Год назад

    Wow, that is a woodsman's beard

  • Paikea Apirana
    Paikea Apirana Год назад

    Simply stop letting people submit games to the steam store, completely. Only allow big companies like EA, Blizzard and other big names submit games. Problem solved.

    • Sean Sang
      Sean Sang Год назад +1

      Well, Blizzard, EA and Ubisoft have had their own platforms before the entire indie kerfuffle began, but Steam is still on top primarily because it offers almost everything. I think Steam should continue trying to promote indie games as there have been a lot of good indie games to come out of it, but cutting off the garbage is a big issue for them. In fact, most people I talk to wouldn't even use Origin or Uplay if it wasn't a requirement. has been around for so long that most people don't mind it. I've even seen some people link their games on Origin or Uplay to their steam so that they can run it from there without directly opening either of them up.
      The main reason a company will want to run their own platform is just so they can earn more money. Why give steam a cut of the profit when they have it all to themselves.

    • Paikea Apirana
      Paikea Apirana Год назад

      I suppose it comes down to what Steam wants itself to be seen as. A Indie game platform or one where the AAA games are to be found. If they go too far in the indie direction they'll ruin their rep and big game companies will put out. Look at how EA and other companies are more focused in running their own game platform, cutting steam out of the equation.

    • Robin Bernardinis
      Robin Bernardinis Год назад

      Paikea Apirana How about no. Most great Steam games are from indie devs.

  • Paris Arnett
    Paris Arnett Год назад

    more like PC Master Crooks

  • Johanna Korhonen
    Johanna Korhonen Год назад

    I think it's good to try new ways to make Steam better. One can only learn through trial and error at this point, and I have trust in them to keep trying!

  • Elbaz8
    Elbaz8 Год назад

    Wow, nice beard!

  • Bangcat
    Bangcat Год назад

    incentive to finish sale for reviewers is a bad idea. There's suppose to be disclosure laws about that already for a reason.

  • John Doe
    John Doe Год назад

    The ending skit was painful. How is it funny to watch someone read an obviously scripted hamfisted joke about how stupid this guy is that he can't say 'deluge' properly (HAHA MEN ARE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!).

  • BlackRayPlayer
    BlackRayPlayer Год назад


  • wolf12king
    wolf12king Год назад

    prepare for the worse hope for the best

  • Valloarin
    Valloarin Год назад

    Like most things this relies, to a degree, on the honour system. I think its a good idea that Valve is trying to tackle this issue and I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out

  • Beer Me
    Beer Me Год назад

    Total Biscuit is still alive??

  • GamerGeek TV
    GamerGeek TV Год назад

    No Man's Sky

  • Zaiko LeBolsh
    Zaiko LeBolsh Год назад

    Step 1: ask for donations/give keys for cash
    Step 2: pay the fee
    Step 3: PROFIT

  • Toby Monaghan-Gray
    Toby Monaghan-Gray Год назад

    So reading between the lines, it's basically reviews without the depth?

  • Geekymutt
    Geekymutt Год назад

    As someone who wants to try their hand at making a game, I'm curious to see how the new steam game submission will work out

  • wesmatron
    wesmatron Год назад

    So a small handfull of people will get to dictate what is pushed to the top of Steam? No chance of back-handers and corruption there then. Just make a separate platform for indy games.

  • Aiden is all Knowing
    Aiden is all Knowing Год назад

    So.... Developers will pay off explorers and curators to bump their games?

  • Nixon J.p Campos
    Nixon J.p Campos Год назад

    so basicly yelp but for games? oh god watch people start thinking they are some important game reviewers

  • That Other Guy
    That Other Guy Год назад

    Can't be worse than greenlight, I know that

  • Thunder Kat
    Thunder Kat Год назад

    Well, at least it's a start. It's better then nothing, but hopefully it gets improved over time, meaning trial and error.

  • ZYD3RsNexus
    ZYD3RsNexus Год назад

    Well, when you sign up as an explorer, you could have the option to select genres you do/dont like and steam will set up your lists based on that- it gets rid of the downvoting based on genre problem

  • Mulberryman
    Mulberryman Год назад

    what about those people who believe that a particular genre should only ever have one game in it and EVERY other game in that genre is a rip-off/clone {cough} minecraft fanboys {cough}

  • Stunt Panda
    Stunt Panda Год назад

    The major issue on Steam is Early Access games never being finished.

  • Shadow60f
    Shadow60f Год назад

    I don't really use steam much less create games but I hope they implement a fair price on putting games into steam, some people who are just starting out could stand to lose a lot of money and although I highly appreciate why their doing this it seems harsh to basically punish the genuine creators by making them pay a small ransom, maybe they could ask for that fee and as incentive give it back if the game makes a killing proving that it's actually a genuine game and as punishment for people wasting the time and virtual space of the steam store and it's customers, that way it means the people making real good games aren't being punished by steam while content flippers are severely punished for their horrendous crimes to all gamer's out there on steam and it means steam will also earn cashflow from the scum while getting good content which will also ironically make them money, a win win dood. :D

  • Thinus Kruger
    Thinus Kruger Год назад

    That beard is majestic.

  • Brandon Hart
    Brandon Hart Год назад

    This sounds really cool! Steam could help combat the bias loophole by having these explorers get outside of their comfort zones & try different games that while they may not be their cup of tea at least you could get a relatively honest answer. Now whether you force them through quotas or give them more incentives (which is probably the better option) I don't know but it could definitely help.

  • Jessa Milia
    Jessa Milia Год назад +1

    but if steam only has good games, then funhaus will be out of content! :'(

  • Mixiv
    Mixiv Год назад

    well i hope its better than the current system: based on your history of playing goat simulator (for an hour) why not play tank dating simulator except for simulator i don't think these are similar

  • Baconman 187
    Baconman 187 Год назад

    Totoro shirt ftw!

  • Raven Pope
    Raven Pope Год назад

    Make it to where curators put down their preference for genre when they sign up. That way, they will get games on their virtual desk that they will fairly curate those games. Users can look at certain genres, and they can follow curators of genres they enjoy. There- people will not downvote entire genres because they don't like the genre. Curators for specific genres they sign up for. AND, a curator cannot downvote or upvote a game they haven't had a certain amount of playtime in. To counteract letting your computer sit for the time in the game, you can implement a skip and a save for later mechanism.

  • Dimetris Blanchard
    Dimetris Blanchard Год назад

    When did santa get a nose ring?

  • bacon phoenix
    bacon phoenix Год назад

    Ashley, where can I get that shirt?

  • Quasaricemage
    Quasaricemage Год назад

    Hmm...perhaps address issues like ARK? Gamers paying for a game in development....yet STILL unfinished and with major graphics and game play issues FOUR YEARS later?

  • SirShizuka
    SirShizuka Год назад

    It's a weird situation, it is a parallel economy where some people grind out the system to actually make money from steam cards, it's likely a lot of work or requires a fair amount of skill to create and control bots. It is a functional pyramidal economy where the new comers, Watanabe's, curious or collectors bring in fresh money. Steam and the people farming it, or even just the casual with too many cards who don't care just sell them for a € here and there so everyone gains from it. And of course the people who sell the shovelware that feed the system with crappy games with cards for as cheap as possible also make money. So everyone gains from the system, even if in such a tiny amount most people don't care. As all modern blooming economy there is a cost on the planet, all that computer power and internet traffic for crappy games people just download and run for the cards but don't play, all that uses energy, a lot of energy. The other downside if of course that 99% of games are crap and that makes it harder to find good ones maybe.

  • gordanzzzz
    gordanzzzz Год назад

    Steam is going to get even more money frome develepers are u people blind?

  • Vernon Ray
    Vernon Ray Год назад

    beauty and the beast

  • DarkWolf S
    DarkWolf S Год назад

    what happen with Mika??
    I miss her

  • Kaji Sagara
    Kaji Sagara Год назад

    fee and a special roman system....

  • rodney phillips
    rodney phillips Год назад +3

    Microsoft Sony and Nintendo already have answer to that, submission fees so they can hire their own testers to make sure of quality

    • charl X
      charl X Год назад

      and they arent hiring any testers, so prepare for MORE SHITTY ASSET FLIPS

  • Derp!
    Derp! Год назад

    Heeeeeeehheeeeeee their's a Viking in our presence. 🙊

  • andres chapa
    andres chapa Год назад

    steam adding goddamn app games from android and ios wtf

  • Fizzy Quizzler
    Fizzy Quizzler Год назад

    now if only the Android store and the Iphone market can do the same. both of these stores are equally as terrible.

  • staris84
    staris84 Год назад

    Hopefully the system takes into consideration the types of genres a person seems to like. Example if I'm not big on fps and me down voting such a game that should take that into consideration, where as if I upvote one could mean its an fps that has gone above and beyond your typical fps.
    Don't know that it has to mean someone branching out of their typical genres has to mean something extra, aka valued more. Though you could expect there will be those that upvote simply because a game is in a genre they like. So could at least be displayed as its own value, here is the number of upvotes for people that usually aren't big into this genre, here is the overall ratio.
    Or the potential to show the ratio for people who have similar genre types to the user as well as the regular overall. That way getting a value from 'like minded' users could more valuable, regardless of the general populous liking or not liking a game.

  • Ivan Esquilin Jr.
    Ivan Esquilin Jr. Год назад

    They should just hire people to check out the games. I'm talking about a dedicated QA team that way there is no prejudice. That would probably have to be 20-30 people and it would delay things, but, they wouldn't have to play a game to completion to test it. 2-5 people play the final build, pre-released versions for about 30 minutes. I believe that's a good solution.
    I'm sure Valve and Steam have a QA team so they could work this there somehow.

  • Weasle GTX
    Weasle GTX Год назад

    Yeah, we need a report developer button.

  • Ivan Esquilin Jr.
    Ivan Esquilin Jr. Год назад

    In response to TitanFallout's comment: Donald Trump, "We're going to have EXTREME VETTING OF ALL INDIE DEVELOPERS! We're gonna let the good ones on to the platform and BOMB THE HELL OUT OF THE BAD ONES!!!! . . . . . . . . . . MICROSOFT! . . . Microsoft is going to PAY. FOR. THE. FIREWALL!!!!! WE'RE GOING TO MAKE STEAM GREAT AGAIN! YOU MAY EVEN GET TIRED OF WINNING with SO MANY BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL games.

    Ivanka and I will work so many late hours into the night to make. Steam. great. again! *bing* *bong* *bang* *bang*"

  • HD x EXoThERMiA
    HD x EXoThERMiA Год назад

    I'm not sure I want the cream from the crap tank.

  • MrRexthegamer
    MrRexthegamer Год назад

    yeaaa... the free to play section has become a trash bin, anything beyond page 7 is just horrible browser games

  • Jason Randolph
    Jason Randolph Год назад

    Probably been asked before but where is the "HOOYAA!!" sound in the intro from? Pappa needs a new text notification!!

  • Magemo
    Magemo Год назад

    Cities Skyline with a controller ... HAHAHAHAHA

  • Alexis Francisco
    Alexis Francisco Год назад

    Oh yay. Jim Sterling has my trust on his viewpoints on how games should be. Valve needs direct policing on their content. TotalBiscuit has some issues with game performance, but I'm mostly in agreement with his viewpoints as well. 60 FPS at the very least should definitely be the norm. We'll cross the 120 FPS wall when 60 FPS becomes much more prevalent that 30 FPS.

  • LionRS2014
    LionRS2014 Год назад

    Jesus could you at least look interested?

  • Neto JON
    Neto JON Год назад

    greenlight will end, its on their forums

  • Ren Cen
    Ren Cen Год назад

    I guess this means we will no longer see crappy company like Digital Sucide clones for making quick bucks.

  • Ahapid
    Ahapid Год назад

    what will happen to the cracked games? and accounts that played cracked games? (spacewar)...

  • Tony Ayre
    Tony Ayre Год назад

    Kinda wish you guys were sat on a sofa rather than stood up. Sometimes looks awkward stood up.

  • tom wikwayer
    tom wikwayer Год назад

    it the first time in my life a see real viking

  • Jaevwyn
    Jaevwyn Год назад

    this channel actually does non-mass effect videos?

  • TheLinkoln18
    TheLinkoln18 Год назад

    Easy way, offer a 7 day free trial,........ on all games... sorted.

  • Blazekingz
    Blazekingz Год назад

    Bane? XD didnt know totalbiscuit was a batman villian. You'd think they'd spell his name either right or wrong and not both within like 3 sentences

  • Mikosch2
    Mikosch2 Год назад

    Steam vs. Fake Games? You mean, they banned Half-Life 3?

  • themikead99
    themikead99 Год назад

    What if the curators select their favorite game genres and those are the ones they rate? That way, massive genres get voted on by a large number of people and the percentage of majority decides which games will be promoted more, and small genres get the same thing except with fewer people voting. Of course this does leave the possibility open that so few people are in a genre, that they could be muscled into promoting specific games, but in the long run the chance is better with this system than with a large majority not liking a genre. (or you could add a "don't vote" button for genres curators don't like.)

  • Davide Mascolo
    Davide Mascolo Год назад

    All of this sounds good... Possibily too good. Also doubtful whether they'll really launch at least Steam Direct within this spring or not. "Wait and see" is the only option.

  • Games4Kickz
    Games4Kickz Год назад

    With the public tagging every barbie game as a horror, nudity, adult content, etc...I can see no possible way of the same public abusing Explorer 😆 If not for their bias to a genre then for the laughs 😆

  • Nito Chira
    Nito Chira Год назад

    They should kick Vikings: Wolves of midgard then, this game is exactly what you guys just posted. Bit amazing no media has taken this one up. It's been a cash grab seens day one, promies a lot more then it delivers and still keeps showing new flaws. It's more a No Man Sky then anything.

  • Jack Pepper
    Jack Pepper Год назад

    They should've filmed them visiting Steam HQ and parodied Charlies and the Chocolate Factory with Gabe limping out and then eating a sausage roll. 'Cos I doubt he could do a forward roll.

  • TerroristPenguin
    TerroristPenguin Год назад

    Steam will have the explorers play the titles in the genres they have an affinity for. If you watched/read the info those youtubers put out you'd have learned that, rather than getting that info 3rd hand.

  • Azura Moonstar
    Azura Moonstar Год назад

    any chance on doing a story for ff14 daddy of light? or the new stormblood expansion back coming in june?
    Or the wwe event for ff14? Or the arg?

  • Wilddog73
    Wilddog73 Год назад

    Diggy diggy Dwarf, Diggy diggy Dwarf!

  • Poptartsicles
    Poptartsicles Год назад

    A simple way to help niche games still rise is by just adding a 3rd option. "I liked it", "I didn't like it", and "Not interested". So if it's a game that might be good but you don't care for the genre at all (eg: I don't like fighting games), just choose "Not interested." That way the niche game won't get hate or love, it'll merely get knocked down a peg in popularity, not quality.

  • Marco
    Marco Год назад +1

    Ashley just does´nt want visual novels to die :D

  • Tristan Zipp
    Tristan Zipp Год назад

    They're not "fake" lol, they're just crappy

  • Scorch251
    Scorch251 Год назад

    i can finally search for games on steam now? such a joke trying to find something when its always dogshit pixel snes games with a 5 min gimmick

  • Green Bow
    Green Bow Год назад

    If Steam goes bust, do we lose all our games?

  • RiorXD
    RiorXD Год назад

    compensatig would be finding a person thats interested in that genre and having them only work in that genre. saving allot of headaches and downvotes that dont belong. duh

  • Luke Leynard
    Luke Leynard Год назад

    omg Ashley

  • Smirqs Edits
    Smirqs Edits Год назад

    i dont know why but ive seen that big guy like 10 times and he still scared me a lil for some reason

  • matimax12
    matimax12 Год назад

    they should just force Devs to have a free trial for every new game that would fix a lot of issues

  • Asellia Rastanbul
    Asellia Rastanbul Год назад

    As far as systems with the explorers; have explorers list genres they like, or tags, and then only let them vote on games of those genres.

  • BlondElin
    BlondElin Год назад

    Omg, that such a cute shirt Ashley is having! Never seen a crossover with Totoro and Hello Kitty befor :D

  • TyGonJinn 1977
    TyGonJinn 1977 Год назад

    hey Adam r u gonna be visiting the icp game con. better kick all of the asses!

  • Godminnette2
    Godminnette2 Год назад

    "Kotaku reported that..."
    Why not just source TB's video itself, where he literally lays out everything in a methodical manner, instead of taking one of the least reliable gaming "journalism" sites' word for it?

  • Lunessia
    Lunessia Год назад +1

    Why not prevemt steam developers from being able to give out keys pre-greenlight?

  • Slothy
    Slothy Год назад

    Curators can only communicate with steam and all users cannot contact curators.
    Curators can only curate games with matching genres within their library that have over a certain amounts of time AND achievement percentage based on a curve of their own achievements and time played across all games.

    • Slothy
      Slothy Год назад

      also overnight would be on the small end of the curve meaning you haven't played the genre long enough

    • Slothy
      Slothy Год назад

      yeah if you want to run the risk of being banned.

    • Random Stuff
      Random Stuff Год назад

      Slothy so i can use achievement unlocker and keep the game on overnight...

  • MortifiedDumplin
    MortifiedDumplin Год назад

    I could do the curators thing, I don't have a whole lot to do on a daily basis and my tastes in games can be boiled down to "If I enjoy it I'll play it regardless of biases". I'll have to try and sign up.

  • A2B
    A2B Год назад

    There will be no good system as long as there is no competitor for Steam.

    • Random Stuff
      Random Stuff Год назад

      A2B origin is pretty good...

    • A2B
      A2B Год назад

      Nah, they are not even on the same level. It's not competition.

    • FabAlien
      FabAlien Год назад

      A2B there are plenty of competitors, like gog, origin and uplay

  • Marok
    Marok Год назад

    Steam Direct not hating it..but it is a more DIRECT upfront cost. Love Steam and I respect them... least they make sure they help others and do not turn into a Nocculus or Facelessbook monster.

  • vladoportos
    vladoportos Год назад

    As explorer do you need to pay for the games to review them ? if so, what is the point.. paying steam for doing their job ?

  • ZZ Unlisted
    ZZ Unlisted Год назад

    Ashley is so pretty

  • cooldude56g
    cooldude56g Год назад +1

    Oh wha, guess I'll have to run and play one of my 527 PC exclusives in my steam library while this is sorted out (all if which I've played, and can conform they're worth their money).

  • Abr3200
    Abr3200 Год назад

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