Steam VS FAKE Games! - The Know Game News

  • Опубликовано: 4 апр 2017
  • Valve is making promises (again) to do something about all those fake Steam games out there. Only this time, they invited Jim Sterling and TotalBiscuit to their offices to talk about the changes they're going to make. Will Steam Explorers be the cure for Steam's problem with crappy games?
    Written By: Brian Gaar
    Edited By: Kdin Jenzen
    Hosted By: Ashley Jenkins & Adam Ellis
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Комментарии • 468

  • Ax Cn
    Ax Cn 9 месяцев назад

    That's one ugly dude. Geez!

  • BloodReaperWolf
    BloodReaperWolf 9 месяцев назад

    just remove the downvote system that will be abused as you suggested replace just the downvote setup with combined "Unique Views of X": with the upvotes so IE you have 300 unique views to 20 upvotes you may have an issue or a very niche market.

  • Lars Mattsson
    Lars Mattsson 9 месяцев назад

    I hope that ones playing the new games only get the type of games they like. Me for example would downvote an FPS unless it´s super super super good (Portal 2 level, if that counts as an FPS :))
    Anyhow, 'someone that never plays a genre should not be the one testing it.

  • mjl1966y
    mjl1966y 9 месяцев назад

    What's wrong with just letting buyers determine the market? Good games get an audience; bad games don't. As a publisher, Steam can cut the games that aren't performing. Why does this have to be so complicated? If a game is truly a fraudulent posting, then a simple refund policy should take care of that (7 days to refund any game) and games that get a lot of refunds are simply cut from the catalog. Of course, I come from the days when you had to buy games in the store on floppy and publishers actually vetted, promoted and distributed their catalog. (Yes, I said floppy.)

  • DecemberLoved
    DecemberLoved 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for bringing this information to people!

  • Charles Wiley
    Charles Wiley 9 месяцев назад

    fat white guy

  • Jobake_Live
    Jobake_Live 9 месяцев назад

    Ashley that t-shirt really does justice. *wink*

  • averagegilo
    averagegilo 9 месяцев назад

    Wow, that is a woodsman's beard

  • Paikea Apirana
    Paikea Apirana 9 месяцев назад

    Simply stop letting people submit games to the steam store, completely. Only allow big companies like EA, Blizzard and other big names submit games. Problem solved.

    • Sean Sang
      Sean Sang 9 месяцев назад +1

      Well, Blizzard, EA and Ubisoft have had their own platforms before the entire indie kerfuffle began, but Steam is still on top primarily because it offers almost everything. I think Steam should continue trying to promote indie games as there have been a lot of good indie games to come out of it, but cutting off the garbage is a big issue for them. In fact, most people I talk to wouldn't even use Origin or Uplay if it wasn't a requirement. has been around for so long that most people don't mind it. I've even seen some people link their games on Origin or Uplay to their steam so that they can run it from there without directly opening either of them up.
      The main reason a company will want to run their own platform is just so they can earn more money. Why give steam a cut of the profit when they have it all to themselves.

    • Paikea Apirana
      Paikea Apirana 9 месяцев назад

      I suppose it comes down to what Steam wants itself to be seen as. A Indie game platform or one where the AAA games are to be found. If they go too far in the indie direction they'll ruin their rep and big game companies will put out. Look at how EA and other companies are more focused in running their own game platform, cutting steam out of the equation.

    • Robin Bernardinis
      Robin Bernardinis 9 месяцев назад

      Paikea Apirana How about no. Most great Steam games are from indie devs.

  • Momiji hardwired on caffeine
    Momiji hardwired on caffeine 9 месяцев назад

    as long as I get to play the games for a day for free I'm tired of buying crap
    most games in general are crap these days

    • 『 Lui 』
      『 Lui 』 9 месяцев назад

      I can name a couple great ones from last year and this one
      - PlayerUnknown's Battleground
      - The Witcher 3
      - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
      - Persona 5
      - Dark Souls 3

  • Paris Arnett
    Paris Arnett 9 месяцев назад

    more like PC Master Crooks

  • Johanna Korhonen
    Johanna Korhonen 9 месяцев назад

    I think it's good to try new ways to make Steam better. One can only learn through trial and error at this point, and I have trust in them to keep trying!

  • Elbaz8
    Elbaz8 9 месяцев назад

    Wow, nice beard!

  • Bangcat
    Bangcat 9 месяцев назад

    incentive to finish sale for reviewers is a bad idea. There's suppose to be disclosure laws about that already for a reason.

  • John Doe
    John Doe 9 месяцев назад

    The ending skit was painful. How is it funny to watch someone read an obviously scripted hamfisted joke about how stupid this guy is that he can't say 'deluge' properly (HAHA MEN ARE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!).

  • BlackRayPlayer
    BlackRayPlayer 9 месяцев назад


    • iiVSquadBlood
      iiVSquadBlood 9 месяцев назад +1

      BlackRayPlayer insightful.

  • wolf12king
    wolf12king 9 месяцев назад

    prepare for the worse hope for the best

  • Onyx Gaming
    Onyx Gaming 9 месяцев назад

    Like most things this relies, to a degree, on the honour system. I think its a good idea that Valve is trying to tackle this issue and I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out

  • Beer Me
    Beer Me 9 месяцев назад

    Total Biscuit is still alive??

  • GamerGeek TV
    GamerGeek TV 9 месяцев назад

    No Man's Sky

  • Zaiko LeBolsh
    Zaiko LeBolsh 9 месяцев назад

    Step 1: ask for donations/give keys for cash
    Step 2: pay the fee
    Step 3: PROFIT

  • Toby Monaghan-Gray
    Toby Monaghan-Gray 9 месяцев назад

    So reading between the lines, it's basically reviews without the depth?

  • Geekymutt
    Geekymutt 9 месяцев назад

    As someone who wants to try their hand at making a game, I'm curious to see how the new steam game submission will work out

  • wesmatron
    wesmatron 9 месяцев назад

    So a small handfull of people will get to dictate what is pushed to the top of Steam? No chance of back-handers and corruption there then. Just make a separate platform for indy games.

  • Aiden is all Knowing
    Aiden is all Knowing 9 месяцев назад

    So.... Developers will pay off explorers and curators to bump their games?

  • Nixon J.p Campos
    Nixon J.p Campos 9 месяцев назад

    so basicly yelp but for games? oh god watch people start thinking they are some important game reviewers

  • That Other Guy
    That Other Guy 9 месяцев назад

    Can't be worse than greenlight, I know that

  • Thunder Kat
    Thunder Kat 9 месяцев назад

    Well, at least it's a start. It's better then nothing, but hopefully it gets improved over time, meaning trial and error.

  • ZYD3RsNexus
    ZYD3RsNexus 9 месяцев назад

    Well, when you sign up as an explorer, you could have the option to select genres you do/dont like and steam will set up your lists based on that- it gets rid of the downvoting based on genre problem

  • Mulberryman
    Mulberryman 9 месяцев назад

    what about those people who believe that a particular genre should only ever have one game in it and EVERY other game in that genre is a rip-off/clone {cough} minecraft fanboys {cough}

  • Stunt Panda
    Stunt Panda 9 месяцев назад

    The major issue on Steam is Early Access games never being finished.

  • Shadow60f
    Shadow60f 9 месяцев назад

    I don't really use steam much less create games but I hope they implement a fair price on putting games into steam, some people who are just starting out could stand to lose a lot of money and although I highly appreciate why their doing this it seems harsh to basically punish the genuine creators by making them pay a small ransom, maybe they could ask for that fee and as incentive give it back if the game makes a killing proving that it's actually a genuine game and as punishment for people wasting the time and virtual space of the steam store and it's customers, that way it means the people making real good games aren't being punished by steam while content flippers are severely punished for their horrendous crimes to all gamer's out there on steam and it means steam will also earn cashflow from the scum while getting good content which will also ironically make them money, a win win dood. :D

  • Thinus Kruger
    Thinus Kruger 9 месяцев назад

    That beard is majestic.

  • Brandon Hart
    Brandon Hart 9 месяцев назад

    This sounds really cool! Steam could help combat the bias loophole by having these explorers get outside of their comfort zones & try different games that while they may not be their cup of tea at least you could get a relatively honest answer. Now whether you force them through quotas or give them more incentives (which is probably the better option) I don't know but it could definitely help.

  • Jessa Milia
    Jessa Milia 9 месяцев назад +1

    but if steam only has good games, then funhaus will be out of content! :'(

  • Mixiv
    Mixiv 9 месяцев назад

    well i hope its better than the current system: based on your history of playing goat simulator (for an hour) why not play tank dating simulator except for simulator i don't think these are similar

  • Baconman 187
    Baconman 187 9 месяцев назад

    Totoro shirt ftw!

  • Raven Pope
    Raven Pope 9 месяцев назад

    Make it to where curators put down their preference for genre when they sign up. That way, they will get games on their virtual desk that they will fairly curate those games. Users can look at certain genres, and they can follow curators of genres they enjoy. There- people will not downvote entire genres because they don't like the genre. Curators for specific genres they sign up for. AND, a curator cannot downvote or upvote a game they haven't had a certain amount of playtime in. To counteract letting your computer sit for the time in the game, you can implement a skip and a save for later mechanism.

  • Dimetris Blanchard
    Dimetris Blanchard 9 месяцев назад

    When did santa get a nose ring?

  • bacon phoenix
    bacon phoenix 9 месяцев назад

    Ashley, where can I get that shirt?

  • Quasaricemage
    Quasaricemage 9 месяцев назад

    Hmm...perhaps address issues like ARK? Gamers paying for a game in development....yet STILL unfinished and with major graphics and game play issues FOUR YEARS later?

  • SirShizuka
    SirShizuka 9 месяцев назад

    It's a weird situation, it is a parallel economy where some people grind out the system to actually make money from steam cards, it's likely a lot of work or requires a fair amount of skill to create and control bots. It is a functional pyramidal economy where the new comers, Watanabe's, curious or collectors bring in fresh money. Steam and the people farming it, or even just the casual with too many cards who don't care just sell them for a € here and there so everyone gains from it. And of course the people who sell the shovelware that feed the system with crappy games with cards for as cheap as possible also make money. So everyone gains from the system, even if in such a tiny amount most people don't care. As all modern blooming economy there is a cost on the planet, all that computer power and internet traffic for crappy games people just download and run for the cards but don't play, all that uses energy, a lot of energy. The other downside if of course that 99% of games are crap and that makes it harder to find good ones maybe.

  • gordanzzzz
    gordanzzzz 9 месяцев назад

    Steam is going to get even more money frome develepers are u people blind?

  • Vernon Ray
    Vernon Ray 9 месяцев назад

    beauty and the beast

    ALFREDO DE LA ROSA AGUIRRE 9 месяцев назад

    what happen with Mika??
    I miss her

  • Kaji Sagara
    Kaji Sagara 9 месяцев назад

    fee and a special roman system....

  • JustAllinOneResource
    JustAllinOneResource 9 месяцев назад

    Is Valve going to PAY those people for going through the new submissions, or is this just another attempt by Valve to take advantage of free labor?
    Also, how will Valve be keeping an eye on those who are viewing the new submissions to not be bought by the dishonest game developers out there?
    Developer "Hey, I am willing to pay you $100.00 dollars, and can you give my game a good thumbs up?"
    Unpaid Employee "Sure, who are you btw?"
    Developer "P. Romine."
    Employee "oh, are you related to Robert Romine, and were you a part of Digital Homicide?"
    Developer: No, just same last name, and no, I was never part of Digital Homicide.
    Unpaid Employee "Sure I'll give you a thumbs up, and send it along to be past. Also, the $100.00 dollars can be sent to me via normal means, and thanks."
    Developer: "Thanks. How long do I have to wait until I get an answer on this once you pass it along?"
    Employee: "Not long, and do you have extra keys I can spread around with my friends to give it a try, and maybe stream some good reviews for you?"
    Developer: "Sure, I'll send them too you via PM when you are ready."
    Employee: "Thanks.... Okay I just sent off the information, and you should be seeing something positive soon."
    Developer: "Thanks, and chat later."
    Unpaid Employee: "Cheers."

  • rodney phillips
    rodney phillips 9 месяцев назад +3

    Microsoft Sony and Nintendo already have answer to that, submission fees so they can hire their own testers to make sure of quality

    • charl X
      charl X 8 месяцев назад

      and they arent hiring any testers, so prepare for MORE SHITTY ASSET FLIPS

  • Derp!
    Derp! 9 месяцев назад

    Heeeeeeehheeeeeee their's a Viking in our presence. 🙊

  • andres chapa
    andres chapa 9 месяцев назад

    steam adding goddamn app games from android and ios wtf

  • Fizzy Quizzler
    Fizzy Quizzler 9 месяцев назад

    now if only the Android store and the Iphone market can do the same. both of these stores are equally as terrible.

  • staris84
    staris84 9 месяцев назад

    Hopefully the system takes into consideration the types of genres a person seems to like. Example if I'm not big on fps and me down voting such a game that should take that into consideration, where as if I upvote one could mean its an fps that has gone above and beyond your typical fps.
    Don't know that it has to mean someone branching out of their typical genres has to mean something extra, aka valued more. Though you could expect there will be those that upvote simply because a game is in a genre they like. So could at least be displayed as its own value, here is the number of upvotes for people that usually aren't big into this genre, here is the overall ratio.
    Or the potential to show the ratio for people who have similar genre types to the user as well as the regular overall. That way getting a value from 'like minded' users could more valuable, regardless of the general populous liking or not liking a game.

  • Ivan Esquilin Jr.
    Ivan Esquilin Jr. 9 месяцев назад

    They should just hire people to check out the games. I'm talking about a dedicated QA team that way there is no prejudice. That would probably have to be 20-30 people and it would delay things, but, they wouldn't have to play a game to completion to test it. 2-5 people play the final build, pre-released versions for about 30 minutes. I believe that's a good solution.
    I'm sure Valve and Steam have a QA team so they could work this there somehow.

  • Weasle GoftheToftheX
    Weasle GoftheToftheX 9 месяцев назад

    Yeah, we need a report developer button.

  • Ivan Esquilin Jr.
    Ivan Esquilin Jr. 9 месяцев назад

    In response to TitanFallout's comment: Donald Trump, "We're going to have EXTREME VETTING OF ALL INDIE DEVELOPERS! We're gonna let the good ones on to the platform and BOMB THE HELL OUT OF THE BAD ONES!!!! . . . . . . . . . . MICROSOFT! . . . Microsoft is going to PAY. FOR. THE. FIREWALL!!!!! WE'RE GOING TO MAKE STEAM GREAT AGAIN! YOU MAY EVEN GET TIRED OF WINNING with SO MANY BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL games.

    Ivanka and I will work so many late hours into the night to make. Steam. great. again! *bing* *bong* *bang* *bang*"

  • HD x EXoThERMiA
    HD x EXoThERMiA 9 месяцев назад

    I'm not sure I want the cream from the crap tank.

  • MrRexthegamer
    MrRexthegamer 9 месяцев назад

    yeaaa... the free to play section has become a trash bin, anything beyond page 7 is just horrible browser games

  • Jason Randolph
    Jason Randolph 9 месяцев назад

    Probably been asked before but where is the "HOOYAA!!" sound in the intro from? Pappa needs a new text notification!!

  • Magemo
    Magemo 9 месяцев назад

    Cities Skyline with a controller ... HAHAHAHAHA

  • Alexis Francisco
    Alexis Francisco 9 месяцев назад

    Oh yay. Jim Sterling has my trust on his viewpoints on how games should be. Valve needs direct policing on their content. TotalBiscuit has some issues with game performance, but I'm mostly in agreement with his viewpoints as well. 60 FPS at the very least should definitely be the norm. We'll cross the 120 FPS wall when 60 FPS becomes much more prevalent that 30 FPS.

  • LionRS2014
    LionRS2014 9 месяцев назад

    Jesus could you at least look interested?

  • Neto JON
    Neto JON 9 месяцев назад

    greenlight will end, its on their forums

  • Ren Cen
    Ren Cen 9 месяцев назад

    I guess this means we will no longer see crappy company like Digital Sucide clones for making quick bucks.

  • Ahapid
    Ahapid 9 месяцев назад

    what will happen to the cracked games? and accounts that played cracked games? (spacewar)...

  • Tony Ayre
    Tony Ayre 9 месяцев назад

    Kinda wish you guys were sat on a sofa rather than stood up. Sometimes looks awkward stood up.

  • tom wikwayer
    tom wikwayer 9 месяцев назад

    it the first time in my life a see real viking

  • Jaevwyn
    Jaevwyn 9 месяцев назад

    this channel actually does non-mass effect videos?

  • TheLinkoln18
    TheLinkoln18 9 месяцев назад

    Easy way, offer a 7 day free trial,........ on all games... sorted.

  • Blazekingz
    Blazekingz 9 месяцев назад

    Bane? XD didnt know totalbiscuit was a batman villian. You'd think they'd spell his name either right or wrong and not both within like 3 sentences

  • Mikosch2
    Mikosch2 9 месяцев назад

    Steam vs. Fake Games? You mean, they banned Half-Life 3?

  • themikead99
    themikead99 9 месяцев назад

    What if the curators select their favorite game genres and those are the ones they rate? That way, massive genres get voted on by a large number of people and the percentage of majority decides which games will be promoted more, and small genres get the same thing except with fewer people voting. Of course this does leave the possibility open that so few people are in a genre, that they could be muscled into promoting specific games, but in the long run the chance is better with this system than with a large majority not liking a genre. (or you could add a "don't vote" button for genres curators don't like.)

  • Davide Mascolo
    Davide Mascolo 9 месяцев назад

    All of this sounds good... Possibily too good. Also doubtful whether they'll really launch at least Steam Direct within this spring or not. "Wait and see" is the only option.

  • Games4Kickz
    Games4Kickz 9 месяцев назад

    With the public tagging every barbie game as a horror, nudity, adult content, etc...I can see no possible way of the same public abusing Explorer 😆 If not for their bias to a genre then for the laughs 😆

  • Nito Chira
    Nito Chira 9 месяцев назад

    They should kick Vikings: Wolves of midgard then, this game is exactly what you guys just posted. Bit amazing no media has taken this one up. It's been a cash grab seens day one, promies a lot more then it delivers and still keeps showing new flaws. It's more a No Man Sky then anything.

  • Jack Pepper
    Jack Pepper 9 месяцев назад

    They should've filmed them visiting Steam HQ and parodied Charlies and the Chocolate Factory with Gabe limping out and then eating a sausage roll. 'Cos I doubt he could do a forward roll.

  • TerroristPenguin
    TerroristPenguin 9 месяцев назад

    Steam will have the explorers play the titles in the genres they have an affinity for. If you watched/read the info those youtubers put out you'd have learned that, rather than getting that info 3rd hand.

  • Azura Moonstar
    Azura Moonstar 9 месяцев назад

    any chance on doing a story for ff14 daddy of light? or the new stormblood expansion back coming in june?
    Or the wwe event for ff14? Or the arg?

  • Wilddog73
    Wilddog73 9 месяцев назад

    Diggy diggy Dwarf, Diggy diggy Dwarf!

  • Poptartsicles
    Poptartsicles 9 месяцев назад

    A simple way to help niche games still rise is by just adding a 3rd option. "I liked it", "I didn't like it", and "Not interested". So if it's a game that might be good but you don't care for the genre at all (eg: I don't like fighting games), just choose "Not interested." That way the niche game won't get hate or love, it'll merely get knocked down a peg in popularity, not quality.

  • Marco
    Marco 9 месяцев назад +1

    Ashley just does´nt want visual novels to die :D

  • Tristan Zipp
    Tristan Zipp 9 месяцев назад

    They're not "fake" lol, they're just crappy

  • Scorch251
    Scorch251 9 месяцев назад

    i can finally search for games on steam now? such a joke trying to find something when its always dogshit pixel snes games with a 5 min gimmick

  • Green Bow
    Green Bow 9 месяцев назад

    If Steam goes bust, do we lose all our games?

  • RiorXD
    RiorXD 9 месяцев назад

    compensatig would be finding a person thats interested in that genre and having them only work in that genre. saving allot of headaches and downvotes that dont belong. duh

  • Luke Leynard
    Luke Leynard 9 месяцев назад

    omg Ashley <3 :D

  • Smirqs Edits
    Smirqs Edits 9 месяцев назад

    i dont know why but ive seen that big guy like 10 times and he still scared me a lil for some reason

  • matimax12
    matimax12 9 месяцев назад

    they should just force Devs to have a free trial for every new game that would fix a lot of issues

  • Asellia Rastanbul
    Asellia Rastanbul 9 месяцев назад

    As far as systems with the explorers; have explorers list genres they like, or tags, and then only let them vote on games of those genres.

  • BlondElin
    BlondElin 9 месяцев назад

    Omg, that such a cute shirt Ashley is having! Never seen a crossover with Totoro and Hello Kitty befor :D

  • TyGonJinn 1977
    TyGonJinn 1977 9 месяцев назад

    hey Adam r u gonna be visiting the icp game con. better kick all of the asses!

  • Godminnette2
    Godminnette2 9 месяцев назад

    "Kotaku reported that..."
    Why not just source TB's video itself, where he literally lays out everything in a methodical manner, instead of taking one of the least reliable gaming "journalism" sites' word for it?

  • Lunessia
    Lunessia 9 месяцев назад +1

    Why not prevemt steam developers from being able to give out keys pre-greenlight?

  • Slothy
    Slothy 9 месяцев назад

    Curators can only communicate with steam and all users cannot contact curators.
    Curators can only curate games with matching genres within their library that have over a certain amounts of time AND achievement percentage based on a curve of their own achievements and time played across all games.

    • Slothy
      Slothy 9 месяцев назад

      also overnight would be on the small end of the curve meaning you haven't played the genre long enough

    • Slothy
      Slothy 9 месяцев назад

      yeah if you want to run the risk of being banned.

    • Random Stuff
      Random Stuff 9 месяцев назад

      Slothy so i can use achievement unlocker and keep the game on overnight...

  • MortifiedDumplin
    MortifiedDumplin 9 месяцев назад

    I could do the curators thing, I don't have a whole lot to do on a daily basis and my tastes in games can be boiled down to "If I enjoy it I'll play it regardless of biases". I'll have to try and sign up.

  • A2B
    A2B 9 месяцев назад

    There will be no good system as long as there is no competitor for Steam.

    • Random Stuff
      Random Stuff 9 месяцев назад

      A2B origin is pretty good...

    • A2B
      A2B 9 месяцев назад

      Nah, they are not even on the same level. It's not competition.

    • Admiral Ackbar
      Admiral Ackbar 9 месяцев назад

      A2B there are plenty of competitors, like gog, origin and uplay

  • Marok
    Marok 9 месяцев назад

    Steam Direct not hating it..but it is a more DIRECT upfront cost. Love Steam and I respect them... least they make sure they help others and do not turn into a Nocculus or Facelessbook monster.

  • vladoportos
    vladoportos 9 месяцев назад

    As explorer do you need to pay for the games to review them ? if so, what is the point.. paying steam for doing their job ?

  • ZZ Unlisted
    ZZ Unlisted 9 месяцев назад

    Ashley is so pretty