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Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #111: Toyota C-HR and Alfa Romeo Giulia



Toyota's all-new subcompact SUV the C-HR visits our test track and we share our first impressions. We also discuss our new Alfa Romeo Giulia and field viewer questions about new car buying and advanced safety systems.

2018 Toyota C-HR Quick Drive: http://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/5350954665001/2018-toyota-c-hr-quick-drive/

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Joins the Sport Sedan Race: http://www.consumerreports.org/alfa-romeo/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-sedan-new-york/

2018 Honda Odyssey Preview: http://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/5276022014001/2018-honda-odyssey-preview/

Ford Flex 2013-2015 Road Test: http://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/1826236109001/ford-flex-2013-2015-road-test/

2017 Honda Ridgeline Quick Drive: http://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/4899640372001/2017-honda-ridgeline-quick-drive/

Chrysler Pacifica Redefines the Minivan: http://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/news/4837671114001/chrysler-pacifica-redefines-the-minivan/


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Автор sergh8605 ( назад)
I like the C-HR, sad no moonroof, hope it come later. I wish they had done a moonroof like on the Nissan that was in the middle.

Автор Beach Lovin ( назад)
The GMC brand has a really simple and straight forward climate controls+cruise controls+radio controls. My previous vehicles where Ford and VW, the big buttons and big nobs are a definite plus in my current GMC Canyon.

Автор T T ( назад)
I was thinking that these three guys are the best for talking cars. Hope they stick with this lineup.

Автор Talons X ( назад)
Everyone wears blue and dark colors, he has the ballz to break out of conformity, why does ones joy depend on someone's else's lack of conformity? It's the same for cars, or anything else.

Автор Jeff Engelhardt ( назад)
Question for your next show, since we're in the world of small SUVs: My '03 Honda Element has done me incredibly well over the years. It's time for it to retire to that great used car lot in the sky, though, and I'm struggling with its replacement.

My must-haves are AWD (or 4WD), decent ground clearance, above average reliability, a decent amount of cargo space, decent fuel economy, a more powerful engine, and something that doesn't remotely resemble the average small to mid-size SUV (e.g. CR-V, Rav-4, etc.), which I hate.

Accepting that the only thing these days resembling the Element's monstrous, bulletproof interior is a truck bed I'm leaning wagon -- maybe a Volvo XC70, V60 XC, or an Audi Allroad. Thoughts?

Автор monzx3 ( назад)
In many ways I think all these technological advances in today's cars are bad for people. People get spoiled and lazy.  For instance,  with GPS folks just don't wanna bother to learn their way around even in their own home town! Parallel parking? A lost art I say. I'm not anti-technology but there should be a limit to everything.

Автор monzx3 ( назад)
Dude, what's up with that outfit!

Автор Robert Montgomery ( назад)
You use side mirrors to merge. Learn how to set your mirrors

Автор Richard DuBois ( назад)
Toyota C-HR. Fantastic look ! (and I'm a 70 yo) Poor visibility out the back. No manual transmission available in the USA. And they want us to pay extra for many safety features I just don't want. Not priced comparably with it's competitors.
Alfa. It's gonna be like a Vette. Owners will rave about it, despite it's being in the shop often. It's for those who love a real driving experience. It's not an appliance. The majority of Consumer Reports readers just don't get that and never will.

Автор Joe Hammond ( назад)
Toyota needed a seriously ugly car to compete with the Juke. Aztek?

Автор Eugenio A. ( назад)
carry proves of what you find wrong in cars, otherwise people could think you are PAID to discredit competitors' products.

Автор Cruz er ( назад)
Mike makes a lot of sense with regards to car design. Gabe is arguing nonsense. It's a self-fulfilling, self-perpetuating escalation. The car makers create the problems and distractions so they can "solve" them with more "features". Feeding into the consumer mentality is not advocating in the best interest of the buyers. One the one hand you can say "this is reality." but then CR constantly advocates against things automakers do in the buyers' best interest. So, you can't argue out of both sides and sound credible. Car makers are pushing gadgets and software. What happens when that stuff breaks and fails? You have a lot of disposable vehicles floating around. The mentality just feeds into the disposable culture and teaches the auto buying public to do the same.

Автор cadsux ( назад)
Of course Toyota was late to the game. Just look at the Lexus NX. Everyone else had a turbo 4 cylinder crossover years before.

Автор Kris Mier ( назад)
minivans? what about KIA Sedona?

Автор Evan K ( назад)
You forgot to mention/bash the Nissan Quest in the minivan topic! :-)

Автор Keye T ( назад)
Check Engine Light on a NEW CAR? TRASHH... that was a car that they gave you instead of your normal secret shop yall do and y'all don't want to mark that on the reliability?? just due to the fact that it should've been perfect since they were expecting you this time... and the powertrain on that CHR is nowhere near exciting they could've offered a the turbo motor from the IS

Автор Blake Swan ( назад)
wow is that Ellington about the Alfa

Автор Blake Swan ( назад)
sorry the CHR is awful especially for a new entry. Fail

Автор Inverter222 ( назад)
Radio? Who listens to the radio and manually tunes stations? I can't even remember the last car I was in that I tuned a station.

It's bizarre for CR to keep demanding a tuning knob. It's unsafe compared to the wheel controls and voice activation system.

But Tom's Durango....now I bet THAT has a tuning knob.,

Автор Robert Montgomery ( назад)
Veloster

Автор Robert Montgomery ( назад)
Velodter ?

Автор Dave Travels ( назад)
I don't buy the Scion excuse. The C-HR was designed for Europe, where Scion never existed. The C-HR offers a wide variety of options, including nicer interior color combinations in Europe. Perhaps the argument relates to pricing structure, still the price difference is negligible, you have to remember that prices in Europe include VAT. A fully loaded Hybrid C-HR stickers for 28k Euro w/o VAT but dealers are currently offering a 17% discount, so it can actually be had for ~24k Euro w/o VAT or ~26k USD, slightly more expensive, but not that much of difference especially considering that it has a hybrid powertrain. A turbo-AWD model is $500 less.

Автор Inverter222 ( назад)
Gabe, uhhh really needs, to uhhhh, try to, uhhhh, speak without, uhhh, uhhhh.

Автор Paul Connolly ( назад)
Gabe @ 21:00...well said!

Автор 10tenman10 ( назад)
Wish they would talk SUV SUV SUV. I almost don't care about anything else these days.

Автор J P ( назад)
Where's Tom???

Автор Joe Wilder ( назад)
Do you know of any statistics that show where collision avoidance systems are preventing accidents?

Автор elton john ( назад)
Another reason to favour the Ford Flex is that in two years, they're down to half of their original price. If this person wants to keep costs down, an EcoBoost Flex may be a good option.

Автор elton john ( назад)
I'm not sure about Jon's disco pants.

Автор toyotaprius79 ( назад)
Do you guys know why Toyota hasn't offered a hybrid version (basically from the Prius) of the C-HR? Seems like a goof.

In the EU, or Ireland at least, the clear majority of new C-HRs have the little HSD badge on them. I rarely see the 1.2l or anything 'non-HSD' that are optioned for it. That's odd given how the US is much warmer to hybrids.

Автор James Wheaton ( назад)
Not missing Tom, you three are doing a good job!

Автор Lukas Trapp ( назад)
bring back tom !

Автор headcas620 ( назад)
The CHR is shit. It's not an suv. It's not even a crossover. It's a hatchback with a higher seating position.

Автор dwilsonjr78 ( назад)
If you need the room, the Honda Odyssey is a great choice. I've driven the Odyssey a few time and just like the guys at CR said, it's actually engaging to drive for a minivan. But in Ford's defense, the Flex does have available AWD if you need it and does stand out more when it comes to looks, but just like the CR guys said, the Odyssey is still a better choice overall when it comes to room and practicality.

Автор Karl P ( назад)
Fiat/Alfa are physically incapable of producing a reliable car. It's been the same for the last 40 years. That's why they did the walk of shame out of America 20 years ago - no one was buying them. Nothing ever changes at Fiat group. And they've transferred their poor quality to Chrysler as well. FCA is worst for customer satisfaction and reliability according to all surveys.

Автор Chris Smith ( назад)
Toyota needs to step up their game for the interior. The exterior is just plan ugly.

Автор Kyle houlihan ( назад)
All I want is a small box like my 1996 Rav4 with true 4wd and again SMALL!!! I hate these "small suvs" now a days these things are freaking huge and not easy to park at all. Closest thing I could find to my rav4 now is the first gen Volkswagen Tiguan S 4motion and it's not true 4wd from what I understand. Plus i dont know how reliable that's going to be but small is what I need.

Автор john ennis ( назад)
Which company makes the best safety system in the under $30,000 car.

Автор Boris Terekidi ( назад)
Completely pointless car. Costs almost as much as a RAV4, but has a look even mother wont love. Ugly, cramped. I'd be shocked if this thing sells very well.

Автор G S ( назад)
Tom Mutchler is no longer with Consumer Reports.

Автор HKM _ ( назад)
What happened to the two original guys? They were great! :(

Автор GBraidi78 ( назад)
I think Honda should have a type pad for the stations like Hyundai. I had a 2015 Sonata and it had it but my 2016 Accord doesn't! I hope the 2018 Accord will have it! We will see!

Автор Norm T ( назад)
Fix It Again Tony?

Автор Jake from State Farm ( назад)
"Toyota... invents segments and sub-segments"???

What?? Like when? Other than the RAV4 -- which was really the first vehicle to be considered a "compact SUV" by today's standards -- what has Toyota done to merit such praise? They didn't even create the hybrid segment. Honda did.

Автор jimmelay71 ( назад)
I am loading up on Prozac and Seroquel amidst coming to the realization that Tom may no longer be with CR. I will miss your forced nervous laughter and your tales of your Dodge Durango.

Автор pedro fernandez ( назад)
That front tag on the Alfa really kills the look.

Автор pedro fernandez ( назад)
Seniors will avoid this thing like Alzheimer's. The xB had great room and visibility, this monster doesn't.

Автор john ennis ( назад)
where is tom ?

Автор 2012bigPerm ( назад)
Subaru seems to be able to make safe cars that you can see out of...so it can be done. I think the trends dictate the poor visibility at this point. It may have started as a result of safety with rising belt lines but I don't think it's that way anymore...

Автор DevPack ( назад)
where is Tom

Автор catsspat ( назад)
I've nothing against advanced safety systems. In fact, I love adaptive cruise control. However, they should be in addition to, not in replacement of, good visibility. I think Subaru does a pretty good job with good outward visibility.

Автор james t Smith ( назад)
so where is Tom M? you're not ashamed to admit this is a press car, why cant you say where he is? Did he leave to work for a car company?

Автор TheAirplaneMaster ( назад)
Jon: So, ____, can you tell us something about the _____?
Other person: Well, it's a nice car and-
Jon: Yeah, I think that....


Jon needs to let people answer his question. XD

Автор Billz Billz ( назад)
Toyota RAV2👍

Автор J Segal ( назад)
If you go all the way back to the Toyota/GM joint venture, GEO showed a coupe version concept of this car. Long time coming.

Автор Linda Jamme ( назад)
I love cars and love listening to you talk about many aspects of cars I would never be able to afford to buy. I wished I worked for Consumer Reports and could take some of these babies for a spin! I own a 2012 Chevrolet Equinox FWD 2LT. I love this car and many of it's features. Most of the problems I've had with the car are electrical. My CD is stuck in the player and Chevrolet said they would have to send the whole radio part to CA to get it out. That's crazy. When I get my next SUV I was thinking between the Equinox, Ford Edge, Toyota RAV4 and Nissan Murano. Any suggestions?

Автор Michael Atchison ( назад)
Why do automakers keep call these vehicles SUVs? They are hatchbacks by any other name.

Автор Kiss Kiss ( назад)
Was Toyota trying to reinvent the Crosstour?

Автор conceptcs ( назад)
Why didn't they just include the back up camera in the main screen?

Автор Luke Hoisington ( назад)
anything on a redesigned Nissan frontier?

Автор Dee T ( назад)
This Car was a Toyota from the get go, it's just that Toyota North-America intended to re-badge it and sell it has a Scion in North-America.

Автор trumpsixteen ( назад)
What happened to Tom M. ? He was my favorite

Автор billiam S ( назад)
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