Eli Saslow & Derek Black - From Racism to Redemption in “Rising Out of Hatred” | The Daily Show

  • Published on Sep 25, 2018
  • Eli Saslow and ex-white nationalist Derek Black describe Derek’s upbringing, how he came to break from the white nationalist community and the best way to fight intolerance.
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  • David Horowitz
    David Horowitz 16 days ago

    Notice how he doesn't refute any of the arguments coming from white nationalists.

  • Chuck Parshall
    Chuck Parshall 26 days ago

    This is a great book and at times uncomfortable to read. I give worlds of credit for Mr. Black for agreeing to share his story and more importantly, to take up the cause with action as he does here.

  • Jack Edmonds
    Jack Edmonds Month ago

    Someone`s joined the gravy train.................set up for life, JUDAS!

  • Edralis
    Edralis Month ago +1

    But... black people *do have* lower IQs than whites (and Ashkenazi Jews and some Asian subpopulations have higher IQ than whites, etc.). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence It is not clear to what degree this is a result of genetics, but it is very misleading/plainly false to say that there are no IQ differences between black and white people/ different races.

    • Edralis
      Edralis 16 days ago

      +David Horowitz I do not agree with your views. Even though there *might* be differences between groups in intelligence or other traits, that does not mean that people of a certain race are "worse" or "better" than people of a different race. I believe every person should have the same rights, and every person is equally deserving of reaching their own telos and happiness.

    • David Horowitz
      David Horowitz 16 days ago

      I was raised an anti-racist. It was only this year that my views have done a complete 180. I now actively fight for the rights and safety of white people. I didn't vote for Trump, thankfully. I knew at that ballot that it would be the wrong thing to do because of his connections to Zionism. I'm even changing the views of my own family.

  • oO PPH Oo
    oO PPH Oo Month ago

    I dislike that they feel the need to call "black people have lower IQ scores" a lie. There very much is a racial IQ gap and we only fuel the conspiracy hungering nature of white supremacists by denying this.

    The lie of the statement comes from the implicit or explicit followup that racial IQ gaps are due to inherent traits of the races when we know, at the very least, that factors other than genes can have greater impact on IQ scores that what the racial IQ gap currently is. Biologists don't speak about more than one human race, partially because there's greater genetic disparity within races than between them. Furthermore, we know of the Flynn Effect and massive increases in global IQ over time since the industrial revolution. A person in the top 50 percent today would be in the top 2 percent a mere 100 years ago. In other words, a person of completely average IQ today would be Mensa level compared to the population of a 100 years ago. Evolution works much too slow to account for these vast improvements in a mere 4-5 generations so whatever caused it isn't genetic.

  • Araworn
    Araworn 3 months ago +3

    Eli looks like ((()))

  • James Brown
    James Brown 4 months ago +1

    Reformed Racists... Never Want Descendants Of Slavery To Receive Reparations...((??))

  • tRump jong UNO
    tRump jong UNO 5 months ago

    Watch 'rise of the lone wolf' on you tube and see the truth about who is the worst threat to this ctry! See which hate group is responsible for 90 % of police officers deaths! No doubt you racists will call it fake. Your answer to everything. You know what the biggest fallacy is? Whites being oppressed! You WS bastards! Gtfo out thus ctry! You're not welcome!

  • Cha Jin
    Cha Jin 5 months ago

    Wow. Absolutely Amazing Guy!

  • ChannelMath
    ChannelMath 5 months ago

    my question would be: what do you think of people who dont' care about minorities, and also don't care about whites. they only care about their own family. Are they better or worse than a white nationalist?
    Also, are there any examples of someone who became a white racist later in life (not in prison)?

  • Willie
    Willie 5 months ago

    I just met up with with his younger sister 2 weeks ago in Tennessee

  • kamva Allan
    kamva Allan 6 months ago


  • Rose Wallace
    Rose Wallace 6 months ago

    this interview fills me with hope for the world!

  • Narayani Gaia
    Narayani Gaia 6 months ago

    It is beautiful to see this conversation and humility of Derek Black. My heart opens to him to see him telling his story even though it must be difficult. . Is Derek Black really his name? Thanks Trevor!

    • tRump jong UNO
      tRump jong UNO 4 months ago

      Narayani Gaia yes and his father is DON black. Creator of stormfront website which is a racist, white nationalist indoctrination site. They are estranged because derek quit the WN movement. Read the book 'rising out of hatred'. Lol...why wouldn't it be his real name?

  • Omar Grimmett
    Omar Grimmett 6 months ago


  • segafan93
    segafan93 6 months ago

    He's doing this to get into a position of public exposure to reveal that he still believes what he always has.

  • Justin Asten
    Justin Asten 6 months ago

    Wow, incredible interview

  • batscatsrats
    batscatsrats 6 months ago

    wow that was easy. derek black is my new hero. that takes real integrity

  • koft2009
    koft2009 6 months ago

    That was fascinating and eye-opening. Great interview!

  • ZA
    ZA 6 months ago

    Is funny how I saw a few docs about southern areas in US, what terrifies them the most is when they have to send their kids to college. thats why homeschooling unfortunately is so popular there. also NOTE other extremes like the girls from Westboro Baptist Church left the church after college expanded their mind.

  • Dan McGuire
    Dan McGuire 6 months ago

    Wow, I got chills. This is truly awesome!

  • tomb613
    tomb613 6 months ago

    Redemption needs to start somewhere. The fact this young man was able to break his programming is hope for us all. Racism is the tool of the super wealthy and it keeps the masses from joining together to fight against the real enemy, classism. "You got to keep em separated....."

    • Ensiferum Fan
      Ensiferum Fan 2 months ago

      @tomb613 commies are the tool of the super wealthy. you commies are the cannon fodder for the rich who want to make 1984 a reality.

  • circa dian
    circa dian 6 months ago

    I always think about this quote that says “If you’re dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you’re smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you.”
    This is what happens when you do that. When you open up, everyone gets better. Everyone benefits.

  • Nick Bernard
    Nick Bernard 6 months ago

    187 people disliked this. They should immediately be placed under the FBI watch.

  • klwarren169
    klwarren169 6 months ago

    WOW! David Dukes's son. Wait...what you know about the South side of Chicago?! I'm gonna look him up.

  • Colleen Kelly
    Colleen Kelly 6 months ago

    Explains a lot!!!

  • Shelly L
    Shelly L 6 months ago

    One thing they don't mention in this interview is the school he went to was New College of Florida
    I went there for several years and it is a truly incredible and inspiring community of young people who consistently push for change and I think it is worth recognizing!

  • priscilla birungi
    priscilla birungi 6 months ago

    This is a better take on injustices I've seen. The ones gaining are the better equipped to effect change, but change is hard, so very hard even when it is good and humane, so this man is an inspiration to me from now till.

  • EU BR
    EU BR 6 months ago +1

    It is not my fault that I was born as a white woman... or this is / was a God` mistake? I have never gone into such black & white extreme in my life!
    It is so obvious that Trevor - is carrying such a huge package of the apartheid ! Kind of leading into it .. back again!

  • 'Shakil HC'
    'Shakil HC' 6 months ago

    This guy has the same "white voice" as Trevor 🤣

    • tRump jong UNO
      tRump jong UNO 4 months ago

      'Shakil HC' that's so childish. What's a white voice? Non ebonics? Racist

  • Victor Jones
    Victor Jones 6 months ago

    Dear Meghan Kelly, This is what an interview looks like. Remember this the next time you interview DL Hughley or discuss blackface.

  • A Thug By Choice
    A Thug By Choice 6 months ago

    This show needs an Emmy!

  • Nicole Wulff
    Nicole Wulff 6 months ago

    Really Sad. .🖒

  • Jackie Santangelo
    Jackie Santangelo 6 months ago

    A courageous author, an inspiring young man (Bravo) and Trevor; thank you for bringing this amazing journey to me ;-)

  • Ogechukwu Okpala
    Ogechukwu Okpala 6 months ago

    The non-truth question is very interesting 🤔

  • Goddess
    Goddess 6 months ago

    “Being silent is a choice” very powerful stuff.
    I am glad he sees the truth and isn’t scared to speak on it, like most white people.

  • Silque Black
    Silque Black 6 months ago

    14:29 THere is a dormant unseen power which can be tapped into to feed hatred. It is so insidious that it causes one to pretend that this dormant unseen power does not exist as to encourage a person to use escapism .... and by any means necessary to ignore the "dirty" to be able to live in a more comfortable bubble instead of facing reality. Facing and confronting racism does not cause racism, it exposes it... much in the same way that light removes darkness so that the "dirty" can be seen and then cleaned.

    BLACK PANTHER 6 months ago +1

    Derek Black, an intelligent man!! Salute.

  • Safia Smiles
    Safia Smiles 6 months ago

    Amazing, just wow. Wow

  • mrswhatevernc
    mrswhatevernc 7 months ago

    It must have been hard to leave his family. What an amazing person! So brave!

  • Brave Lace
    Brave Lace 7 months ago

    Wow! That was a really important conversation Noah had with Black and Saslow. Noah asked the questions I wanted to hear the answers to. He's so good at that. And Black made some strong points about how being white nationalist vs. anti-racist is easier because then a person doesn't have to admit anything needs to change, or make change. It's easier to be conplacent and say nothing letting racisim continue. And how important it is, as a white person, to speak up and defuse an escalating racist conversation. Brilliant!

  • J. Arias
    J. Arias 7 months ago

    Derek Black closing comment was a shocker but makes sense. Only White can shut White down, they’re equal in their mind. Very very good interview with Eli as well, thanks.

  • Jessica Eblen
    Jessica Eblen 7 months ago

    What a great peace...

  • Anakae Wiles
    Anakae Wiles 7 months ago

    This was such an important conversation. Wow, I am completely flabbergasted.

  • savana196
    savana196 7 months ago

    im so gonna read that book now

  • Smoove Tone
    Smoove Tone 7 months ago

    Wow, this was an amazing piece. This type of informative segment should get and Emmy.

  • miss Massey
    miss Massey 7 months ago

    Derek Black Is cute😍❤😁

  • OpqHMg
    OpqHMg 7 months ago

    Haha and Trump has since already declared himself a nationalist

  • Do Robin
    Do Robin 7 months ago

    Very interesting, Thank you. I wonder if Derek BLACK saw the Charles WHITE exhibit at MoMA... ;D Charles Withe was a great black american artist, he drew only black people.

  • Mlungisi Dlamini
    Mlungisi Dlamini 7 months ago

    What a blessing to see and witness something like this. May God protect you brother Derek. Love from South africa

  • Zambia Union Of Financial Institutes and Allied Workers

    Derek Black, brave man I pray you have a blessed long wonderful life....Trevor you have now amassed a large global responsibility for the people of colour and white community....large responsibility..

  • M Jave
    M Jave 7 months ago +1

    How strong he is to fight his own beliefs 🤷‍♂️✌🏻

  • lemonflower
    lemonflower 7 months ago

    Derek is really intelligent and inspirational. You can see the pain in his face when his former racist talking points were mentioned. I have a lot of respect for him.

  • nii amon
    nii amon 7 months ago

    All I will say is demnnnnnnnnn

  • LaShawn Royale
    LaShawn Royale 7 months ago

    This sounds good, in fact sounds great, however... Black people stay being DUPED. WHITE friends have historically cashed out on us. Would love this to truly be a safe space but...idk🙄 I say to BLACK people, focus on what we need to do and let WHITE people do their thing and hopefully the two can jell.

  • Maria Hartisch
    Maria Hartisch 7 months ago

    How comes they show publicity for "USCCA" a guide for how to get away with shooting on this channel?

  • Batgirl P
    Batgirl P 7 months ago

    I'm glad trevor didn't go for the laugh.
    I wonder what it would take to change the minds of the garden variety racists we work with every day. The doctors, the lawyers, the Bankers, The police officers, the grocery store tellers....

  • Ray Shepherd
    Ray Shepherd 7 months ago

    God is real man. Thank you Trevor Noah and thank you Derek Black🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • Alex Larson
    Alex Larson 7 months ago

    Trevor is an incredible interviewer! He did a fantastic job in this interview!!

  • Coyote 50
    Coyote 50 7 months ago

    Wow! We need more stories like this. Thank you Eli for your incredible work and thank you Derek for having the courage to change. This is how we change society.

  • ResistCom
    ResistCom 7 months ago

    Joe Kennedy told West Hooker:
    "We're not going to fight the Jews,
    we're going to work with them."
    How did that work out, Joe?

  • shell7324
    shell7324 7 months ago

    Y0U are a disgusting human. Just disgusting.

  • Denice Lewis
    Denice Lewis 7 months ago

    "Speak up because being silent is a choice"... wow!

  • Britt Waller
    Britt Waller 7 months ago

    Wow, this conversation. When he said it easier to be a white nationalist than an anti racist. That is something slot of white people don't seem to understand that us minorities see and challenge. Because America has these beliefs, the comfort is racism and thinking it's right. challenging those thoughts are difficult. Everyone needs to hear him speak.

  • Clouds In houtx
    Clouds In houtx 7 months ago

    LMFAO. I sat here looking at those two and thought, wow that guy looks like he'd be a white supremacist, and 10 seconds later, "oh btw hes the god son of david duke" lawl. Not hard to spot.

  • Vicky Blue
    Vicky Blue 7 months ago

    Wow this guy is so enlightened now. Impressive , because it's not easy.

  • krisklev
    krisklev 7 months ago

    OMG a human changed his mind. The end times are here

  • Jay Ahmed
    Jay Ahmed 7 months ago

    Best interview I’ve ever seen on this show

  • Larry Fox
    Larry Fox 7 months ago

    Maybe there is hope in the young...

  • Rachel Marie-Pfeifer
    Rachel Marie-Pfeifer 7 months ago

    So beautiful

  • koboldnational
    koboldnational 7 months ago

    Thank you, Mr Black, for being so brave. It is unbelievable hard to change a belief system that was ingrained into your core being. I have massive respect for you!

  • John Ezeanochie
    John Ezeanochie 7 months ago

    Do you know how many more Derek blacks are being groomed to sneak into positions of power......that should make us worry for the FUTURE!!!

  • UnicornsAreNice
    UnicornsAreNice 7 months ago

    Awesome. Props to TDS for booking interesting ppl with important stories!

  • Mario M
    Mario M 7 months ago

    Racisms is a cowardly way of life. You can talk all that hateful shit. But when a colored person is around. They hold it in. While I keep my head up ☝

  • Veronica Crespo
    Veronica Crespo 7 months ago


  • Shani Smith
    Shani Smith 7 months ago

    He had a "Paul" conversion... spiritual almost I'd say. Very interesting story Id be interested in reading the book.

  • moontraveller
    moontraveller 7 months ago

    Truly educational and inspiring! Kudos to Derek and others who are making this challenging leap.

  • enrique gallegos
    enrique gallegos 7 months ago

    This dude is playing all of you! He still is a racist but he is smart and playing everyone!!

  • Carla Meister
    Carla Meister 7 months ago

    Get enough snowflakes together and you better believe that snow will bury your ass

  • ciel Ho
    ciel Ho 7 months ago +1

    goosebumps thats why I always say our environment especially in childhood is important because it sets what is normal for us

  • Sojourner Songs
    Sojourner Songs 7 months ago

    Just Wow

  • Edie Heirris Heiris
    Edie Heirris Heiris 7 months ago

    Derek Black should really be proud of his growth.

  • Bonnie Robinson
    Bonnie Robinson 7 months ago

    Awesome interview.

    MIKE VON BACH 7 months ago

    some people do in fact have a higher intelligence quotient. And it tends to be people that are immigrants. REMEMBER HISTORY FAVORS THE BOLD.

  • Tebigong101
    Tebigong101 7 months ago +1

    What he learned at college by being exposed to different people and realizing that these differences are just a variation on the same theme, ways of being human. This is the importance of media representation for marginalized people overall but people of color in particular because in some parts of America there may be no Asians, blacks, or Latinos for you to get to know as people so videos, series, and movies might be the only way to get a nuanced representation of them.

  • Sara Danhoff
    Sara Danhoff 7 months ago

    I think one of the most dangerous and bolstering facets of white nationalism comes from the pseudoacademic legitimization of it via false and misrepresented statistics. The only thing deadlier than ignorance is well crafted disinformation.

  • Teri Williams
    Teri Williams 7 months ago

    Proud of him; hopefully his father grows a change of heart.

  • Els Jap A Joe
    Els Jap A Joe 7 months ago

    Funny that the nsme of the man Black !

  • Jennifer
    Jennifer 7 months ago

    I think it is very worthwhile to mention that this brave man probably has some vestigial prejudices, but his journey is trending in the right direction.
    When we encounter people with prejudice

  • James Osborne
    James Osborne 7 months ago

    Great interview!!!!!!

  • DrKumkar
    DrKumkar 7 months ago

    that zoom tho

  • Laura Vivas
    Laura Vivas 7 months ago +3

    What a powerful and moving discussion.

  • Alek Goral
    Alek Goral 7 months ago +1

    This is a very productive interview. It's easy to hate David Duke and what he stands for, what's difficult is to try and teach people not to be racist. If you understand why they're racist, you stand a better chance of convincing them not to be racist, and then they won't pass it on to their own children.

  • mangoesandgrapes
    mangoesandgrapes 7 months ago +2

    both so articulate and courageous. I deeply admire both men - Derek for being willing to share his story, and Eli for sharing it so eloquently with the world

  • Chris Ruby
    Chris Ruby 7 months ago +1

    This was powerful great job guys

  • Becca.LAGirl
    Becca.LAGirl 7 months ago +2

    Amazing discussion!

  • Jason Waltman
    Jason Waltman 7 months ago

    I found Trevor's last question about Derek and trusting his current beliefs very interesting. His response seems much like someone who changes their religious outlook as they grow.

  • Nihm
    Nihm 7 months ago +1

    If you want to change your society, start by casting your vote and getting involved. Hating on the mentally ill is not going to change their minds.

  • Eden
    Eden 7 months ago +2

    WHITE PEOPLE ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RACIST. I have white friends. They are friends, they help me, they are supportive they add value to my life. BUT OMG, when we get to talking about race, the ideas they have about why there is racism and what racism is... knocks me off my feet. I had one friend tell me, that the reason the classification of races was created a hundred or so years ago was because people with dark skin needed diferent types of medicine in hospitals???
    So to tiny a degree that is true, but believe me the guy who came up with the cast of racism WAS A RACIST, he did it to cast races other than white and inferior, undeserving and less important. Point being, racism is so embedded in our culture even people with the best intention often have no idea they are supported or perpetuating systematic racism.

  • MsClark2009
    MsClark2009 7 months ago +2

    Wow, I'm extremely impressed by Derek Black. This was one of the best interviews I've seen this year. Kudos to you friend.