The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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  • Published on Apr 15, 2019
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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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  • fokjock
    fokjock 10 minutes ago

    Boeing certainly got it wrong-but the problem was always recoverable as a stabiliser trim runaway-proved you acted fast enough. Unfortunately when you get to the point where you are
    looking at the QRH-it is probably aready too late. If the electric trim doesn't solve the problem (and it won't), then next step is the trim cut-out switches. Leave it too late and the aerodynamic forces and high speed will make it very quickly irrecoverable. The force required on manual trimming using the handle on the trim wheel (which pulls out from the trim wheel) becomes too much and because MCAS has in a very short time produced a much pronounced nose down trim.
    Most pilots aren't aware of Boeings previous from years back ie to pull up the nose positively to allow the trim wheel to be moved then releasing the back pressure.Such kind of yoyo technique in this case would have worked if actioned early enough.
    The maker of this film only explains why MCAS was required for certification-ie because of the pitch up effect caused by the large diameter nacelles. In addition to this , the engine nacelles were placed forward of where they used to be because they are placed so far ahead of the wing that the horizontal keel area is substantially increased caused pitch instability especially when the flaps are retracted-which is when MCAS would be activated.
    Well Boeing certainly did not give pilots enough sim time or explain MCAS sufficiently, and did not seen to consider the implications of damage to the anngle of attack vane, or they would have installed 2 as standard with disagree logic installed.
    Well thats my tuppence worth-other than that, its a nice aircraft to fly!

  • DaveHasaHarley
    DaveHasaHarley Hour ago

    Tombstone Technology, If the planes were in service since 2012 they why did it take till 2018 for one to crash???

  • Nathdrew Setiawan
    Nathdrew Setiawan 4 hours ago

    I Saw that Boeing 737 Max 8 is no longer operational in the news and
    Im so sad about the Boeing 737 max 8 crashes into java sea and actually I’m from Indonesia so
    I hope nobody get that accident again

  • 707 Evans
    707 Evans 4 hours ago

    *This is what happens when you try to fix things that don’t need to be fixed: you make things worse. Take note, libtards.*

  • Shoaib Khan
    Shoaib Khan 8 hours ago

    Does anyone know the background music that starts around 1:47?

  • Michael Maylor
    Michael Maylor 9 hours ago

    Start 'messing' with the rear stabilizer and you just better know what your doing!!

  • Gwailotus
    Gwailotus 9 hours ago

    ALASKA AIRLINES Flight 261, Space Shuttle Challenger and Columbia, Y2K Ford Explorer rollovers. Lehman Brothers/America financial crisis/global Recession....Same same

  • Javier Lopez
    Javier Lopez 16 hours ago

    It is time for Boeing to reactivate the 717 program , if they wanted to survive

  • Maple Leaf
    Maple Leaf 17 hours ago

    The first crash was a disaster. The second crash spells the end for the Max. Time for Boeing to buy back this fleet and convert them to freighters.

  • James Walker
    James Walker 17 hours ago

    Again Boeing airlines put money before safety!

  • TrappedbyFire
    TrappedbyFire 17 hours ago

    TO The BOEING BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Time to act to "Up-grade" top management! The firm deserves Action !!! Thimk!! "Charity begins at home"!!

  • Robert Smith
    Robert Smith 18 hours ago

    I understand that all the pilots had to do was turn off the MCAS system to prevent the problem.

    • First Name Last Name
      First Name Last Name 18 hours ago

      The only problem is that the pilots were not aware of the system so were not looking for the "off" switch.

  • MeBituman
    MeBituman 19 hours ago

    The real question is the flying public ever going to trust this plane. I know I wouldn't.

  • James
    James 21 hour ago

    Ah, Vox... they know EVERYTHING...

  • marc hayes
    marc hayes 21 hour ago

    once again it took people dieing to fix a issue

  • vannylee
    vannylee 21 hour ago

    That's capitalism babe! Interest at any cost!

  • Rolando Crisostomo
    Rolando Crisostomo 22 hours ago

    "only" two hours training? It take two seconds to tell someone "hey this plane has software to correct the over pitch of the plane, don't stall it" ...done.

  • Prof. Michael O. Zeee JCD ECS

    Nothing we don't already know! Click-bait!

  • Ricky717Captain Official
    Ricky717Captain Official 23 hours ago +1

    Just 3 words.
    *AOA probes disagree*
    This is it.

  • Marina G.
    Marina G. Day ago +1

    Titanic story all over again, but this time it happened twice

    • Marina G.
      Marina G. 7 hours ago

      +Rafael Suprayogi we know that titanic happened because they pushed engineers to do it without listening them about security measurments which probably happened here , thats why i said it reminded me on that scenario.

    • Rafael Suprayogi
      Rafael Suprayogi 7 hours ago

      But how about hiddenburg, Second crash, etc etc

  • ON YOUR ASS
    ON YOUR ASS Day ago

    Fake news by libtard commies. Pilots could of disabled the system and flown the plane by hand.

  • Hiram Abiff
    Hiram Abiff Day ago

    YOU MEAN BOING PLANES ARE SUPPOSED TO FLY TO? NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.

  • Bryon Slatten
    Bryon Slatten Day ago

    Please share this video with your Congressional representatives.

  • wayne Last
    wayne Last Day ago

    Boeing and FAA need be brought up on manslaughter . It’s no different than if I negligently designed and approved a car part.

  • wayne Last
    wayne Last Day ago

    So this is another flaw in capitalism . No doubt FAA and Boeing execs had dollar signs over rule better judgement. Not to say capitalism should be eliminated but modified.

  • Traian G.
    Traian G. Day ago

    Mother f....rs! Its all about money , they did not care how stupid was to move the engine up the wing , they could not accept that airbus was a better plane with a better design. From now on i’ll make sure every time i fly to avoid boeing planes even if the ticket cost more money , my life can’t have a price like boeing stupid planes and greed

  • dotdot dot
    dotdot dot Day ago

    I'd be happy if airbus was the only major plane company that existed

    • Bugler55
      Bugler55 Day ago

      I wouldnt, competition ensures mistakes like this are punished.

  • ted1091
    ted1091 Day ago

    Outstanding video

  • Dresden Black
    Dresden Black Day ago

    Should have just put bigger wheels on it for the extra ground clearance so simple a caveman could think of it.

  • Akashavayu
    Akashavayu Day ago

    Is this just not MURDER! Premeditated and negligent! Good thing they are not poor or they might actually be charged and go to jail.

  • kaito kid
    kaito kid Day ago

    There are 2 element / messages in this video that are worth highlighting.

    1. "Greed is bad. Greedy people at the top of Boeing forced 'innovation' at an unrealistic time frame and with deadly consequences for the sake of profit. Greed at its worst." This is some thing I can stand behind. yes, this is an obvious case of a bunch of asshats making decisions looking at the stock market with one eye and the succes of it's competitor with the other, their customers being a mare afterthought.

    The 2nd element in this video, albeit a subtle one: "competition is bad. competition drove Boeing to do what they did, therefor competition is something to be discouraged. I find this to be troubling messages. It's fantastic that Boeing engineers tried their best to come up with a solutions to a hardware problem. they failed, but it's not the fault of competitiveness. it's the fault of greed. competitiveness is the reason why come that far with Aviation today. Competition is the best thing about capitalism. Look at rocketry before and after SpaceX, the difference is night and day.

    • Bugler55
      Bugler55 Day ago

      Re SpaceX, well yeah, because they had 40 years of free R&D to start with :P

  • Cindy Arsenault
    Cindy Arsenault Day ago

    Crazy to think that when people are dying in plane crashes they are literally buying their death...

  • helihobbit
    helihobbit Day ago

    Boeing = damned

  • Grackle2012
    Grackle2012 Day ago

    Why not just put a lift on the landing gear to achieve a higher ground clearance. Bigger wheels, something. Over engineering.

  • I THE PREACHER
    I THE PREACHER Day ago

    ruclip.com/video/UdlqftA7Y3s/video.html

  • Adam Donovan
    Adam Donovan Day ago

    That's it for Boeing.....Boeing Boing GONE.....

  • Jake Richardson
    Jake Richardson Day ago

    shouldnt somebody go to jail over this

  • Hating on Truth
    Hating on Truth Day ago

    Wonder if this would have been a problem back when aircraft engines were located back of wing before the Mandela effect moved it to the front.

  • AGZ8520
    AGZ8520 Day ago +1

    And this is why Airbus is superior.

  • fkennedy02
    fkennedy02 Day ago

    The Americans are not going to hold their own to account for this so every other country involved should start legal proceedings against Boeing

  • CamoLive
    CamoLive Day ago

    Lmfao “yeah lmao we wrote some defunct software, but here, we wrote some more, this one DEFINITELY won’t kill you :)”

  • Paul Schneider
    Paul Schneider Day ago

    A design flaw fixed by software and more training. Do we believe it?

  • Garry Butler
    Garry Butler Day ago

    Does anyone remember the crash of lauda air? The engine went into reverse thrust? Pilot was blamed coz Boeing didn't want to take any responsibility? Or what about Japan Airlines 747 with a shoddy repair by Boeing that caused the rear bulkhead to explode out killing over 500 people? Or am I missing something

  • Jet Stream
    Jet Stream Day ago

    The original 737 was meant for shorter flights when the jumbos were used for long haul flights. Why try to modify a small 737 for longer flights? Come up with a new more efficient model to compete with Airbus.

  • amit Singh
    amit Singh 2 days ago

    Airbus salute to you at least ur not playing with the lives of people who trust u

  • Yugantar Bhasin
    Yugantar Bhasin 2 days ago

    People didn't die but I am sure Boeing did

  • Ziko Zik
    Ziko Zik 2 days ago

    Capitalist Murica exists.. people die coz of greed.

  • Nik Evans
    Nik Evans 2 days ago

    With hindsight they would of been better redesigning the axle/wheel assy. to get better ground clearance. So they could fit the new engine .

  • Steven Horton
    Steven Horton 2 days ago

    Thank you

  • cristina lexy
    cristina lexy 2 days ago +1

    Because is a very dodgy plane built on a hurry, they should stick with safest Jumbo 747 instead?

  • Dyxuki
    Dyxuki 2 days ago

    just a side question. why wouldnt they make the wheels larger/longer so they can fit a bigger engine?

  • Wolfclaw the death god loves Kittenface

    I have been on the old style one it was amazing...I’m 12 now seeing this makes them greedy people and want people to die

  • Antoine Swans
    Antoine Swans 2 days ago

    The Boeing 737 Max 8 Roulette

  • Darth Xial
    Darth Xial 2 days ago +1

    Once is a coincidence.
    Twice is negligence.
    And a third would be a conspiracy.

  • Gonzalo Cabrejas Moya

    This report is quite misleading in multiple ways to fit that narrative that boeing is a greedy company which lied purposefully hid data on their plane, way before any investigation concluded thus.

  • ash0787
    ash0787 2 days ago

    because the mandela effect made the engines on all planes move further forward, and the wings became narrower.

  • Erik_lone_wolf Snip
    Erik_lone_wolf Snip 2 days ago

    I rather travel by car than by plane

  • Bruce G
    Bruce G 2 days ago

    corporate greed = disaster. We're wise to you CEO's, we got your number...bruce

  • Armin S
    Armin S 2 days ago

    VW got sued by the USA for *exhaust gas* . Time for Europe and the world to sue Boeing for homicide.

  • hgrgic
    hgrgic 2 days ago

    Excellent explanation. Thank you.

  • PfropfNo1
    PfropfNo1 2 days ago

    Can anyone explain why putting the engine higher pulls the nose up? In my understanding putting the engine up shortens the lever which should result in the opposite behavior. Putting the engine down like airbus did should increase lever and pull the nose up.
    Also i don’t understand how the pitch was determined by a single sensor. Every system usually has 2 redundancies in an aircraft. My fu****ng Smartphone has 3 different sensors to measure pitch: acceleration sensor (measures how your phone is tilted, for example flips screen if you turn it around), GPS (gives you speed and direction. From (upward)direction should be easy to get pitch), pressure sensor (it can measure altitude very accurately (+ - 1m), with change of altitude you can calculate pitch (how fast plane is rising).)
    How did MCAS only have 1 sensor? That’s what drives me crazy. And it’s nice to reduce the risk of Stall automatically. But how is there no software to detect if the plane is crashing in the ground or not?!?? I mean there are autopilots in planes for decades and they don’t crush planes into the ground. I just don’t understand this.
    There is nothing wrong with the basic idea of MCAS but it it feels like an intern designed it.

  • Douglas Rodrigues
    Douglas Rodrigues 2 days ago

    Why introduce yet another feature suseptable to computer failure? There is too much automation / less pilot control on the new planes. Airbus, in particular, has suffered many crashes because of computer glitches. I.e. does your PC at home ever malfunction? Would you trust you life to your PC. Hell no, but the electronic nerds want to have more computer authority in airplanes. If the nose pitches up on takeoff, why not just train the pilot to anticipate and compensate for that pitch up with elevator trim? It would add slightly to the pilot's workload but at least there wouldn't be another automatic system that obviously can fail.

  • John Donaldson
    John Donaldson 2 days ago

    USA was LAST to ground the plane = FAA spineless bastards

  • typeOhh
    typeOhh 2 days ago

    Greed...

  • Aava Vehvilainen
    Aava Vehvilainen 2 days ago

    Why did it have to be Ethiopia I love that country

  • Chef Pee Pee
    Chef Pee Pee 2 days ago +1

    Boeing are traitors who want money.

  • Marcosaur03
    Marcosaur03 2 days ago

    Plane Crash Podcast covered these two crashes and came to a similar conclusion.

  • thingy
    thingy 2 days ago

    wow being, wow.

  • Princeofcups Poc
    Princeofcups Poc 2 days ago

    But don't worry. The executives that pushed it through already spent their massive bonuses, and are retired living on a beach somewhere. I hope the families of the dead can sleep soundly now. Capitalism at its best, with NO accountability.

  • Leify Boy
    Leify Boy 2 days ago

    Okay so I’ve watched a few videos about this and from what I see there are thousands of these planes but only these two crashed? And it wasn’t even the first flight for either of them.... still the fact that they hid mcas from pilots is enough for them to pay.

  • Zero Hour
    Zero Hour 2 days ago

    The FAA admin is filled with former or current Boeing executives. FAA streamlined it because it’s an American company, so they gotta “win” even if that means people’s lives. Look at the 787s, they didn’t fix the lithium battery issue, they just made a better box to prevent explosion. Fast tracked junk

  • KKB1976
    KKB1976 2 days ago

    Death penalty for everybody knew and didn't do anything...

  • nTzT
    nTzT 2 days ago

    Flying safe btw, idiots.

  • Ronald McCormick
    Ronald McCormick 2 days ago

    Very disappointing Boeing. Time to design a new jet. And this time around, grab your balls and tell fossil fuel industries where they can stick it when you include new technologies that heretofore have been sequestered or forbidden.

  • Jeff Stanley
    Jeff Stanley 2 days ago

    Boeing screws up royally, killing people, so naturally it's time to cue the brain dead Vox viewers to crawl out of the woodwork and pin the blame on "the evils of capitalism."
    What you fail to recognize is that it is free-market capitalism which guarantees that Boeing will pay for its negligence THROUGH THE NOSE by losing multi-billions in sales to Aerobus. FOOLS!
    But the really-and-truly hilarious thing about you AOC voters is that you think that, if we can just do away with capitalism, THEN PLANES WILL NO LONGER CRASH!

  • JoeL
    JoeL 2 days ago +1

    I already HATE flying. Now I'm really freaked out about it. Ughhhh...

    • Pantheragem
      Pantheragem 23 hours ago

      I just don't do it. Haven't since 1996. Statistics involving air travel are skewed anyway.

  • Bule British
    Bule British 2 days ago

    Mass murder lock up all those involved in hiding this.

  • Dedi Syafutra
    Dedi Syafutra 2 days ago +1

    I'm from Indonesia, we don't know what to do, Boeing Ignorant! 🤕🤕🤕😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔

  • Mr2pint
    Mr2pint 2 days ago

    it's all fixed now we can relax I want to see the United States of America sanction those countries that have cancelled orders...

  • PotatoHype71
    PotatoHype71 2 days ago

    Like downloading more RAM....

  • Cool Pipenator
    Cool Pipenator 2 days ago +1

    Just be weary of VOX, they are anti American.

  • Philip Smith
    Philip Smith 2 days ago +1

    The fundamental problem is that because of the design of the tailplane there is insufficient control authority to push the nose down against the pitch up moment of the more powerful engines. A tailplane redesign would require a full certification of effectively a new type which would have taken much longer and cost more, leaving the market for Airbus to dominate. So a new system, MCAS, is introduced that has more authority than the controls alone. But this system relies on the signal from a single sensor. There are two of these sensors, it would be possible to arrange that both sensors had to show a problem before the MCAS operates. But then it might not operate when it should. A third sensor could solve this, MCAS only operating when at least two show a problem. More complicated, more time needed to develop and certify it.
    The bottom line is that Boeing knowingly cut corners in the rush to get to market. They ignored warnings from experienced pilots flying the aircraft. That killed hundreds of people. It is costing airlines that trusted Boeing's promises about the aircraft a fortune.
    Boeing's solution? A software fix. That won't fix the tailplane.

    • Philip Smith
      Philip Smith Day ago

      +Jeff Stanley you are the one making a fool of yourself. I spent 40 years as a big jet pilot, technical rep and pilot expert consultant to Eurocontrol. What is your aviation background?

    • Jeff Stanley
      Jeff Stanley 2 days ago

      I don't think you know as much as you pretend to know. Try reading something by someone who actually does know what he's talking about, and maybe in the future you won't make a fool out of yourself in public again.

      www.satcom.guru/2019/04/stabilizer-trim-loads-and-range.html

  • M40101
    M40101 2 days ago +1

    They should do a movie about the cover up and the criminal actions of Boeing who led to this tragedies.

    • John Middleditch
      John Middleditch Day ago

      Just before this I watched an Al Jazeera documentary on the 787 and the delays. Put the two together and your questions will be answered.

  • eyestoenvy
    eyestoenvy 2 days ago

    Bring back the dam 757 hotrod 🚀 ✈️ 🚀

  • Misty Stewart
    Misty Stewart 2 days ago

    Problem with capitalism, part 12, 957

  • Don MacQuarrie
    Don MacQuarrie 2 days ago

    Frankenplane

  • Jeremy Topp
    Jeremy Topp 2 days ago

    Boeing = we care about “ our profits more then your safety “ period!!!

  • fred flintstone
    fred flintstone 2 days ago

    MONEY is what makes us expendable to the corporations, lawyers and bankers.

    AIRBUS killed everyone until they figured out their damn computer was stalling the engines

  • Nişancı
    Nişancı 2 days ago

    There's a reason why this saying exists "if it's boeing I'm not going"

  • 2wheelvloggers
    2wheelvloggers 2 days ago

    Sailors and soldiers of the US military know that you are following unlawful orders from your commander, it is not mutiny when you refuse to follow unlawful orders, you are doing the duty you swore an oath to. You are being led to your death not for the preservation of your country, but by a tyrant who has no respect for your life or the lives of others.

  • Orcinus1967
    Orcinus1967 2 days ago

    "Sully" Sullenberger weighed in on the Ethiopian crash. He said a pilot with only 200 hours should not be the captain. Not enough time.

  • Joe De Tau
    Joe De Tau 2 days ago

    These things often happen beczuse "managers" don't listen to engineers.

  • Joe De Tau
    Joe De Tau 2 days ago

    And they want to make self-driving cars now. I'm never going to trust my life to Microsoft.

  • EAW
    EAW 2 days ago +1

    M.C.A.S.
    'May Crash And Slaughter' everyone on board.

  • Bad Grandpa
    Bad Grandpa 3 days ago

    Well said sir!!

  • Mavis V
    Mavis V 3 days ago

    w

  • Kofi Annan
    Kofi Annan 3 days ago

    The important thing is that everyone made great money and everyone had a great time. Thanks Obama !

  • Kofi Annan
    Kofi Annan 3 days ago

    Boeing and the Catholic Church will burn in hell. Sad.

  • Siavoush Avesta
    Siavoush Avesta 3 days ago

    capitalism at its finest

  • Anirban Dey
    Anirban Dey 3 days ago +1

    Boeing is a money hungry trash company, Airbus people are way more skilled.