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i watch this seven years later and nothing has changed! America is DOOMED!
I say do away with public schools all together. There should only be private schools held by lottery, and a fixed rate.
DISMANTLE THE UNWELFARE STATE.
How quickly conservatives forget what private education was like in the Oliver Twist days before public schools. Why not FIX instead of privatize?
For the money we spend and for our placement in comparison to foreign nations, our school system sucks major A&%!!! Allow the free market to find solutions and force the public education system to improve or follow the dinosaurs! Of course they won't reduce tax burden, they will keep that.
Schools don't need money they need whiteboard markers.
Do you really want the churches running the schools again?
Here's an idea: EVERYBODY PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN KIDS!"Oh, can't have THAT! I'm ENTITLED! It's good for SOCIETY!" Blah blah blah. What's next, public obedience-school for dogs?
... and the money goes round and round :)
WATCHING STOSSEL I AM ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT BEING A LIBERTARIAN BUT I CAN'T I AM AN EVANGELICAL SO I MUST REMAIN A CONSERVATIVE UNLESS IF I BECOME AN CONSERVATIVE-LIBERTARIAN WHO STANDS FOR TRADITIONAL VALUES AT THE SAME TIME STANDING UP FOR LIBERTY
Choose Life Do it become a Conservative-Libertarian I'm a Libertarian-Conservative and believe me, these groups joint together leads to the best future for this country.
I know this an old post, but I would like to reply. I am a registered Libertarian and I do not agree with everything they propose, but I am a conservative at heart and simply vote for the most conservative candidate that I believe represents my closest values. We need candidates that allow business to prosper and preserve individual freedoms. I would also want a candidate that tries to limit government's role in our lives. I am very confident that the majority of families will make an effort to raise kids in a moral and ethical way and that interference from the government just usurps a parent's leadership and responsibility. So while my change to the Libertarian party may be more of a protest to the RNC, I have no conflicts with my faith or political beliefs. I still force my own conduct to that which would convey a good example to those that are around me. I don't agree with all the Libertarian views, but individual liberty coupled with personal responsibility is the behind the qualities I hold dear.
Choose Life quit defining yourself.. act bipartisan
Choose Life I understand what you mean. I'm a libertarian economically, but a conservative on many social issues.Yeah, legitimizing the prostitution and heroin markets may have fiscal benefits, but at what cost? Moral decay?I believe in extending a class of standards. To me, it is about setting an example for future generations and saying, "If you strive for health and prosperity, this is what's required."
+Trump 2016 A system is not moral if you have to force it on people. The gov't is not the solution to upholding the family; that is up to the people.
WHY IS THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM A SHAM ONE WORD UNIONS
It' looks like they are discussing things but they all agree with eachother, Get a few representatives from the other side so you can have a real discussion. Maybe something useful will come out of it. Asking only neo-liberal market fundamentalists will only get the answers THEY want. The public scool is owned by the american people, it is there to make sure that companies have a reliable and skilled workforce to hire.
A normal Stossel episode is around 44 minutes long. This is a segment from one of those episodes. There were plenty of opposing viewpoints in the whole of this episode as well as the many other episodes on this topic.
randknu1 yes, me knowing the square root of pie and how to properly mix chemicals is going to ensure I get a good job at a law firm.
There isn't any education monopoly because of the fact that we also have private schools in America where parents with means or live in cities or counties or states that have private school vouchers they have the option to send their kids to private schools.
Stossel's right, except for his attributing the problems to teacher's unions and the DOE. The problem with those is just plain old cronyism and theft. The worse problem is the financial elite's non-profit foundations and government manipulation of all of us. That all goes back to Prussian schooling with the goal of creating compliant and obedient employees and soldiers with a deep allegiance to the state. Shouldn't the parents have 100% control over their schools? Or, educate kids themselves?
i need help, they have my child in a disabled special ed program she is at least a year behind of the other kids. but they keep passing her. she is just keeping the seat warm my daughter is not disabled. if you teach her like one. then she will be. I talked to the school plenty of times. I want her out of the special ed and held back one year. so she could be in a real classroom so she can learn the right way
dawn castillo Your daughter could have a learning disability, or a language barrier.... Pull her out of the school
You're a moron
An uncreative passive and obedient employee sitting at the computer desk is exactly what a corporation needs. A few creative people at the top like steve jobs who dropped out of high school will then give the well schooled employees orders. You can find many examples of this.The state however is like a big corporation, it is almost the same thing.
I watched the video with Chomsky, he said basically the same. School makes you do stupid stuff, so the ones who are motivated, honest, industrious, creative... are punished. But they are the ones most useful in business. However the jerk-off who does stupid shit just to get the grade (paycheck) are perfect government employee.
RUclip "Education Is a System of Indoctrination of the Young" it should be the top video. He doesn't cover everything the schools do but it is the gist of how they are designed to indoctrinate.
The term "corporations" is too nebulous, everything from local non-profit charities, to international behemoths are corporations.I don't remember any indoctrination about how to be a skilled, honest, motivated and industrious, which is what businesses want. I had a ton of indoctrination about how government is God, and apparently they even screwed that up.
Lets call schools what they really are, Indoctrination centers to turn people into easily exploitable items for corporations.
E Rich Corporations pay the best wages and salaries in the world Einstein.... All corporate positions are middle class positions
Specific interest? Schools teach pretty much the same shit.
To the contrary, people still fail under government. Just look at black drop out statistics. Despite government,and the lack of it, i think people would still slack off regardless.
CAn you please explain what quality means.
Can someone tell me why student will never comes into these debates? I was a terrible student for the most part, it wasn't the lack of money in schools or teacher quality that didnt make me do the work. It was myself lol
At first, I thought that was Condoleezza Rice
the problem with the public schools system (and for the higher education too) is that 1). the textbook publishing industry have a monopoly in the US public schools. the PAC's on behalf of the textbook publishing industry donate $100's of thousand of dollars money to political campaigns. 2). speaking from parents who retired as teacher/school administrator, the of majority of parents today are not sitting down with their kids to see what they have learned b/c they are working longer hours.
I failed my U.S. History class my junior year of high school. It wasn't until I got a private tutor that I realized that it wasn't me, but the my union teacher who didn't do shit but had tenure.
and for the record, Scientology's Applied Scholastics is verifiable horse shit which causes loads of problems for the poor kids who have to put up with the material because their parents thought they were choosing what was 'right' for their kids. If you don't want garbage in - garbage out, you need a consensus enforced with regulation on what you're going to teach kids. Please try living in the real world.
No, I'm just placing doubt in your views that private corporations should be given free reign in determining school material. Especially in the US of A where you already have fundie private universities that cause problems with their fucktarded views on things like science, but that's alright. It's adults making the choice to go there. Over here in Britain, the govt is trying to make a 'free school' system and we've already had schools try to get away with teaching creationism.
It appears that Joel Klein just likes saying 'Government Manahhpaly" more than actually giving a reasonable, evidence-based reason. Might as well be saying that the problem is that there aren't enough magic elves teaching the kids stuff
by your logic, you should have nationally-run Church of Scientology schools - in a free market, everyone has a choice right? Not the children of course, they generally have no choice in their schooling. What these 3 dunderheads have so helpfully pointed out is that there are no changes (according to whatever data they've fished out) in Reading, Writing and Math - not business-specific stuff. Mind, that's relative to federal spending, you might find that scores actually weren't that bad >_>
four dislikes- romney ryan obama biden
YES EARN THE RIGHT! YESS~!!
john stossel confirmed for god tier
It's not my fault yt has character limits otherwise I would elaborate/spell properly. Stossel had nothing with you earning your degree except he and every tax payer essentially fund the cost increasing mechanisms that make it harder for you to earn one. No one owes you an education, a house, or food. Subsidizing "need" markets for the general citizen does much more ham than intended good due to the general market effects afterward (bubble pop). Personal risk = personal reward = principles of USA
This was genius ad hominem. His moustache has everything to do with his argument right?He's not saying average families should never go to college but rather to provide the average family with undistorted and competitive choices that drive prices down naturally rather than create that illusion through public subsidy which inherently increases them. If you want education, earn it. The free lunch your expecting only makes your struggle worse for exchanging choice for a temporal sense of security
>"You're comment wad asinine."I can see *you're* not benefiting from *your* educational investment of *yore*.
it's a positive step, though
@richardcadbury I honestly loath myself for sounding like a democrat, but this is valid question I think, how would we allow the poorer children to go to school? or would they not go? I'm against government assistance programs usually, but I could see a voucher being more reasonable than privatizing it all right away.
@richardcadbury amen almost everything government run is crap. need proof just go to your local dmv
@StupidCommentsMademe how is letting kids choose where to go to school going to help bring test scores up?
maybe the spending has gone up because of inflation and increased population
Once again, the teachers do not make the most money! It is the administrators, educational consultants, and publishing companies, that make the big bucks!
@carcabe actually the religious schools i'd attended actually taught math and science, but you have right to degree
*helicopter* *Intriguing tune* *White Caption Title* Its LibertyPen. love these videos and the awesome intros.
Funny how no mention bush's no child left behind
Taxpayers would be appalled, if they knew the amount of money that goes to pay the exorbitant salaries of so-called administrators!People with fancy titles by their name, but do NOTHING that benefits students.(e.g. Curriculum Directors, Assessment Coordinators, Program Managers, Educational Consultants, etc!) People that have been out of the classroom in years, and are absolutely CLUELESS!" . . . wined and dined by the big publishing companies!"
Oh yeah... this never gets said. The institute doing testing should be separate from the one doing any sort of teaching. A teacher's grade of a student is also an implicit grade of themselves. It is a conflict of interest, and it makes any sensible measurement nigh impossible.
Hehe... just get rid of education =P Everything I learned as a kid was because I wanted to learn it. In School, out of school. I learned to read when I wanted to read. I learned math playing with computers. "Sudbury schools" are the right answer. Give the kids a place to get together and play, and they end up learning if you give them access to tools.It is easy to teach someone that wants to learn, and almost impossible to, otherwise.
Sherry Street = Condoleezza Rice
Everything from LibertyPen is good stuff!!! Keep up the good job!
I have an idea. An opinion on how we can reverse course on this relatively painlessly. There is without question that home schooled children far out perform public education. Why doesn't the government give the family a 12,000 tax credit. If there income doesn't add up to 12,000 in taxes? Then pay the family the 12k to teach their child or hire a tutor. Then take 12k out of the funding of the school in their district. If they did this? Our problems would end quickly.
@carcabe I have NEVER seen that point of view that clearly. That was brilliantly stated my friend.
@carcabe this is a great, great comment.
Pouring more money into the hand of incompetency and a failed plan does NOT make it work. More teachers = good BUT no returns. ahh well I guess the "good" only serves the teachers. The fed ed. is a classic example of liberal static/artificial world creation AKA stagnation The world and humans are dynamic that is why free market capitalism works, it adapts and gets better. The people who oppose choice are the ones who HATE children. Thanks to all in vid, especially Sherry Street.
Oh man, seniority. There's at least four teachers at my high school who should not have their job, but are safe because of their seniority.
So THIS is where all the intelligent people on youtube hang out!
@BlameTheFirst I am beginning to wish that the nukes came down earlier than later. Government run schools are quickly becoming the bane of our nation. I'm sending my kids to private school.
Thank the Liberals.
I actually I agree with John Stossel here, when you force someone to go to a certain school. Instead of competing for students, you leave them without competition and they don't have to improve their service to stay in business.
Our public school system is in serious need of reform, and sadly, the only party in this country serious about reform is the Republican Party. The Democrat Party, empowered by the teacher unions, has stood firmly against it. In other words, you have the “conservative” party fighting for reform and change, and the “liberal” party maintaining the mediocre status quo. Oh the irony!
Humorous subtitles on the 1911 version would be awesome IMO.
Condoleezza Rice lookalike
this is like buying cheap labor (most teachers who don't give a real shit) and the government not doing anything to 'change' the actual approach/system...instead throw more money to nothing. this is a strategic plan governments all over the world operate...they dont care about the real issue and use the education department to keep people dumb and make HUGE money for themselves to afford 'private' schools set up by their mates to educate their children...cunts.
To get better teachers you need to actually pay them less. I know this sounds counterintuitive( ikes?) but you need would then weed out the teacher who are in it for the money or for the passion of teaching.
@carcabe Well said! I always call them govt schools. In fact, just as a 7-11 is considered a "public accommodation" even though it is a private corp, private schools serve a public purpose. The private schools deserve the term public as well. So govt schools should not be called public. It creates a false distinction. But govt schools ARE owned and run by the govt. This DOES distinguish them from private schools.
Educating kids in public schools is such a multi-layered problem that I've come to the conclusion it's pretty much an impossible task.
The best way to ensure that the money is attached to the kid is to not have the money come from taxpayers through gov't (via taxation) through gov't education apparatus to parents in form of vouchers to schools, but rather directly from taxpayers (parents) to schools of their choice.
@58robbo "vouchers are education subsidies" Not quite, but I think I know where you are coming from. I advocate complete privatization of education. I don't want childless people to subsidize my children's education. I am quite happy to pay for it myself.
@scepticsteve ""Some of the programs may be good"I think we can safely assume that none is."Exactly. "Good" is in the eye of the beholder. To say that a gov't program is "good" is meaningless: good for whom? Since they are outside of the marketplace, there is no way to determine whether parents and kids are getting their money's worth. Throw gov't out of education. In fact, throw gov't out of everything.
@shaqdaddy11 when government shrinks.
@bluefootedpig Dependence on anything is just the same as slavery. I have no negative opinion of religion itself. I do have a problem with organized religion. Just the same as I have against Governmental education.
stossel needs to build a better chart
@carcabe Glad to see someone else who recognizes that. I often try to talk to atheists that spout about removing religion from schools when I point out that schools are just indoctrinating kids into the morals of the government. Not to say that religion is better, but we must realize that when you teach a child anything, look at who is teaching and why. Government teaching is going to teach people to follow and depend on the government, just as religious schools teach dependence on a God.
John Stossel is skull fucked. Look at the 120 Gulen schools that have sprung up. As well as my video on the topic: /watch?v=SsdJbAS8jD4, titled How Fetullah Gulen Islamic Public Schools Rip Off Taxpayers .
What a kid gets in school these days: Watching an inconvenient truth > obama speeches > cultural marxism... > more inconvenient truth > more Obama speeches > more cultural marxism...