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They would have to remake Shang Qi from the ground up to make this even slightly have a chance to work. Honestly, I’m expecting it to be dumpster fire. Simu has extremely limited martial arts experience, compounding that with the extremely racist nature of the original comic, not to mention America’s very shitty idea of what Kungfu is today, and you’ve got the makings of the worst Marvel movie and that saying something considering how shitty Captain Marvel was.
500mil in China.
I just hate it that they cast Simu Liu. He's just so boring looking.
so they change the name "Fu manchu" to "Mandarin", the Chinese official language? NICE!!!
Mandarin = Chinese language. Think about that before you dismiss it.
Where was this outrage during Iron Man 3, Dr Strange, Great Wall. Holy Tits mental illness and self hate is prevalent in Asia.
Who cares? Mainland Chinese people also didn’t care for Crazy Rich Asians and it did well.
Marvel certainly care. If movie does well in china Marvel can potentially double their profit
Assuming China is still an important market to Marvel, just say the Mandarin is a good guy. And now cast a well known actress from China as Leiko Wu. To be frank, they should have known better than to cast Simu Liu. IMO Simu wasnt a good choice and neither was Awkafina if you wanted to make a killing in China and possibly in other Asian countries. But I've been wrong before. BTW, just in case anyone's wondering, I'm Chinese but 'm not from China. So there.
Tony Leung, the actor playing the Mandarin is from Hong Kong.
We don't need a Chinese Wakanda bullshit
The outrage IS mostly because of shangchi's connection with "the Mandarin". People aren't stupid in China. They can see what Marvel is trying to do and how poorly they've done when coming up with his backstory.
If only you knew Fu Manchu was created to make fun of Asian people Lol an Asian wizard of some kind who could control the mind of white women. Basically it was made, to make Chinese look bad and that they were coming to steal European women .. it was made in 1912
Racial correctness in China is different from what it is in the US, so Marvel should really learn how to make it pc in Chinese way if this movie is about to profit in Chinese market.Also, be careful if parents of a Asian superhero matter in the plot. Some Chinese have no faith in religion, we have faith in our ancestors as the god in religion, and our parents kinda like Jesus Christ. So you don't want to make Jesus Christ into a murder/rappist/peril, then let the superhero kill Jesus Christ then convert to a paganism Jesus in Islam or something.
西方：我不在乎你实际是什么样子，在我眼里你就应该是这个样子！现在我拍了一部关于你们文化电影，快点像黑人一样欢呼并掏钱给我！West: I don't care what you actually look like, you should be like this in my eyes! Now I made a film about your culture, cheering like black people, and then taking out the money in my pocket!
Fact check.Just to clarify things about the character:Firstly I don't think Marvel would write in racial stereotypes for this.Secondly, as someone who read Shang-Chi comics, he does not work for the US government, he worked with British intelligence MI6 for a while and he HATED it, calling it "games of death and deceit". He did not 'kill' his father directly as he just destroyed immortality serums his father needs to remain immortal. His story is about moving into an alien world and adapt while retaining his values (which, is Chinese in essence). He even returned to China after his father was defeated.To address the stereotypical nature of the character, speaking as a Chinese who loves maths and practices Chinese Martial Arts, (who fits the stereotype quite nicely don't you think?) I'll say: what's wrong with that? A character who's fighting style embodies Chinese tradition and core values embodies traditional philosophy, I think it's awesome!I'm nervous but hopeful about this movie. Marvel did Black Panther right so I think Shang-Chi won't be that bad.I do HOPE Marvel gets people who actually practices proper Chinese Martial Arts to choreograph this, I wouldn't want to see that modern non-combative movie-like wushu BS in this... Tai-Chi as grappling and maybe some shaolin styles eg seven star mantis as striking with some modern mma elements mixed it, then it'd be amazing!
I agree some part with you but there’s a clear difference between Shang-Chi and Black Panther. Shang-Chi’s father is Mandarin, I’m fine with that any evil character can be Asian but there’s a catch to it. Mandarin is Fu Manchu, Marvel changed the name because of some copy right issues. On the other hand, Fu Manchu was a racist character created by some British guy back in 1913. It was during the Yellow Peril, where Americans and British make Asian (specially Chinese and Japanese) these monster that destroy culture and harm the society. Basically it’s mostly the history Chinese are unhappy about. IF SHANG-CHI PLOT WAS IN BLACK PANTHER T’Chaka (Black Panther’s father) was trying to protect the vibranium in wakanda by kill, rape, and destroy in some western countries. Plus let’s add a back story of T’Chaka was created so white people can fear and hate black people. Then he changed his name in this movie because of some random copyright issues. Black Panther was like “oh shit, my father (changes name) is a bad guy.” Then Black Panther murder his father, and gives vibranium to the world. WtfNONE OF THIS ABOVE REALLY HAPPENED IN BLACK PANTHER BUT THATS LIKE THE BACK STORY AND PLOT LINE OF SHANG-CHI(only switch out the race and add vibranium)I mean if you want the Chinese market then like do a normal movie that don’t have a racist background. There’s a lot of Asian superheroes out there, and it’s not like Shang-Chi is super famous that you need to use him and that plot no matter what.But then the actor plays Shang-Chi said that this movie was for Chinese-(American Canadian, Australian, etc) so I guess Chinese people shouldn’t even be mad since it’s not for Chinese. EMMMM CHINA IS MARVEL’S SECOND LARGEST MARKET, so let’s just exclude them out it. WtfI mean it’s not Chinese hate Americans. Most Chinese like the live action Mulan, while American hated it. Yeah some part of it is not exactly the same as history, but at least they tried. Disney also picked a Chinese actor that’s known in China. The actor in Shang-Chi didn’t really go in the movie industries. Chinese people don’t know him, never even heard of him, and he is play the leading role. Sorry that’s a lot of words but basically it’s true that a lot of Chinese aren’t gonna watch it and some are even asking to banned it when it comes outSorry if it offend you in anyway and that’s a lot of words Asian superheroes sounds awesome, Marvel just chose the wrong character with a wrong history. (whisper, I really liked Black Panther, but I think Shang-Chi will not be an Asian Black Panther, maybe Mulan will)
The problem is the naming of the character. Mandarin is a language, and a language usually associates with the culture and the people behind it. Making this character evil is to say this culture is evil, this group of people is evil. Fear them, they're the enemy of the world. Imagine the Chinese creates an evil world-dominating overlord character and names him "English", with stereotypical Caucasian sinister features, how does that feel? What psychological effect might have caused on Chinese people towards Caucasians, English speaking part of the world and the culture? Would it increase their fondness or stereotypes towards the US, North America, or the West in general? That's the problem. The name of the character Mandarin reflects the xenophobia towards the Chinese people/culture. And the solution is simple, just adopt another name. Li, Wang, Chen, etc, there're plenty of individual names to choose from. Just don't use a name that associates with the entire group of people or their culture.
it's not the name thing. Even u call a piece shit "chocolate cream", we all know it's still a piece of shit.
They can easily change his name. But the word "mandarin" also means an official in the Imperial courts. These characters were created 50 years ago. Marvel has changed their origins and the movies can continue to reinvent them.
@James Sorensen Negro from Latin nigra. means black.There was no discrimination at first, but...
But a Mandarin was also the title of a high ranking official in the Chinese empire.
You guys all got it wrong. It is not Shang chi they are angry with, it is fu manchu, it is a racist stereotype character basically represents native Chinese, now marvel use this character as a super villain?
I don't think Chinese should be representing Asians.Shang Chi is only representing Chinese.and Yes Samu Liu is ugly and short legs
1.SHANGCHI, is not a chinese hero.his an abc,an America born chinese.don't call him chinese super hero any more.2.MANDARIN,is not only a name of SHANGCHI's father,or a villain，But also the Official language of China.3.The fight between Mandarin and Ironman was a Stereotypes of the war between EAST and WEST.like magic and kongfu Vs freedom and magic.4.BTW,what do Marvel,or any western people know about chinese culture，Except： Dumplings、Kongfu、rule by CCP ,and Jackie Chan，Jackie Chan is also a party member too.Will Marvel make a "chinses super hero" or just a KongFU-Man wearing yellow skin.5.why in ironman3, Mandarin didn't hated by chinese,cuz he a fake Mandarin,so why chinese hate him.6.last one, after the movie ,will Shang-Chi be the next "Stereotypes of what good chinese look like"，like Bruce Lee 50 years ago？and Mandarin be the next "Stereotypes of what bad chinese look like"just like Fumanchu 100 years ago？ We Chinese People Had Been Demonization Like 300 years.SO ,please , FUK OFF Marvel.
Ok, slow down buckaroo, you kinda come off as Retarted. First off, everyone Nows Mandarin is a language idiot. Second off, he IS Chinese, what is his ethnicity? Chinese. Stop complaining about Fu Manchu, as they are not putting it in the story, same with his fight with Shang Chi. Lastly, that's not how it works, they aren't going to make an "Asian" default look
China doesn't need America to give us a Chinese super hero. Please get lost.
I would like more Asian representation in Western Hollywood, so yes, some Chinese people DO want this movie
An immigrant who cut off their bond with their evil home world and embrace American way of life is a thing in Hollywood. Remember Man of Steel? Superman cut off his own bond with Kripton by killing the last one of his own kind which is definitely inspired by Rome Empire and embrace American way of life. Problem is, not everybody buys this sh!t.
I’m Chinese-American and I never understood the extremely particular facial demands in mainland China’s movie/TV industry. It’s so specific. As someone who’s lived many years in both the East and the West I can honestly say Simu is a very handsome man. Not only that but he seems very intelligent and has really great charisma, confidence, and wittiness. Plus he’s physically very fit. If that’s not attractive idk what the hell is.
The problem is Fu Manchu, not Simu.If you can still read Chinese, you can go to weibo or zhihu to see what people are against
Thanks for promoting Doorkickers on Indigogo Clint.
Disney/Marvel competing in China with the Chinese film industry. Oof. Asian Boss did interesting street interviews in China, getting people’s opinions of Disney’s newest movie version of Mulan.
To be honest I am surprised Marvel didn't "feboot" the character as Shang-she, Mistress if Kung Fu. It's only a matter of time.
Why do people never link the articles in the description in these types of videos?
I live in China and many of my Chinese friends are excited about this movie.
@V Love-Williams Most Chinese now are actuslly against this.
The "Chinese outrage" sounds similar to the "American outrage"; just code for 1 or 2 people on Twitter were trying hard for "woke likes"... No real story or "outrage".
Quite frankly if China cant be appreciative of the strides marvel is implementing to make them feel included, marvel should just not release it there, and let china see how it feels.
don't make me laugh. China will soon be the biggest film market in the world.If this movie offense Chinese. No marvel movies will be allowed to enter China market in the future. So marvel will kiss Chinese ass. power of market😏
there are not just one asian/Chinese Marvel hero, right? then why choose shangchi? emm, let's see. his father is fu manchu, the yellow peril, great! he killed his father, oh Chinese must like this! he is loyal to the US, and fight against evil China for the goodness, WOW, Chinese loooove the US and hate their country amid the trade war! oh my god, the main actor is an Canadian, Chinese people love great Canadians! and the villain actor is national Chinese, fantastic! we Chinese deserve this! Marvel producers are truly geniuses!so why do the Chinese boycott this masterpiece? ridiculous isn't it.
Please educate me on what Asian/Chinese superheroes there are that are not just Asian versions of pre existing heroes. Don't say jubilee cause her powers are stupid
The problem is that major Chinese people wont buy it. Lets see. I dont know about Asian American though.
James Lee 你一定是北方人
Simu liu is ugly ..
there were a bunch of Fu Manchu movies in the 60s , played by Christopher Lee. Also Grind House has a fake trailer "Werewolf Women of the SS.....where Fu ManChu is played by Nicholos Cage :)
in a word, more and more Chinese just can't stand that a “Chinese”hero iscreated and shaped by westerners' unfriendly sterotypes.
It’s political...in terms of finances ...it’s no secret here that undermining Disney has been an objective (Wanda’s CEO) ...in order to give their studios more prominence in the markets ...they don’t want to give American companies money ...that’s not going to help China...the Chinese want Americans to give them money basically ...soft power is a battleground for that...they won’t support any Asian character that they perceive as Caucasian creation ...doesn’t matter how respectful or appreciative of Asian audiences it is ...they have a cultivated a fundamentalist idea because it makes their governmental identity stronger
SweetcastFirst off if we are going to discuss the Chinese market we need to ensure we are probably talking about the Han Chinese. There are many ethnic groups in China and the Han Chinese are favored. In many ways they are today how white people in the 1940's to 50's are portrayed in their ethnic attitudes of superiority. There are many other ethnic groups in China and they are the marginalized ones to use SJW logic.China is also very insular and standoffish in their culture. Guanxi is a concept very important to the chinese. Essentially it is linked to one's reputation but it also is a form of tying one's reputations to others. There is a system of gift giving where one does favors for others and this builds Guanxi with them which means you can ask them for favors. It is very elaborate. for instance if you wish to curry favor with an extremely well to do individual you don't give him money or gifts. Instead you give money to his chauffeur to present to his nephew something that will help the nephew out and this will get back to the uncle. Guanxi can be thought of as a kind of social capital that one builds within the community and it is respected by others.The upshot of this is that a mixed race or even pure Chinese person from say the United States who was not raised in the culture is never truly seen as part of the China. They are an outsider and thus would not have the theoretical right to get Guanxi. I am not really explaining that well and don't understand it all that well myself. a friend of mine who is mixed Chinese explained it to me.So having the protagonists be mixed race and the villain be full Chinese was a bad move on Marvel's part. Ironically if the left the Mandarin as the British actor as the villain that probably would have went over well in China.It seems for all the virtue signaling SJW's do about respecting other cultures they do not seem to spend any time actually learning anything about those cultures.
wellll..... the Mandarin *is* half British...
Wasn't Shang-Chi always a Bruce Lee ripoff anyway?
the sjw is going to see this and say why is not a woman/black etc. viewers from china is going to ask why not cast a actor from china. this movie is not going to please both sides
Whelp. I suppose it's good to know that whiney bitches live everywhere
China: “.... Oh reah!! Rake a Rhinese ruperhero a martial rartist reeeeeah real rock ru rat!! Ruckers”
Scooby Dooby Doo, is that you?
Sounds like the Chinese are being pretty racist to me.
@Joe Byrd Don't lie, some Chinese people don't like black panthers because of the stereotype of facing black people.Imagine if we make a movie in which the United States is suddenly hit by a nuclear bomb, suspects that Russia is responsible for it, and the dovish President thinks it over and over again, trying to make a big deal out of it, and is struggling with how to convince a cabinet table, when suddenly a man comes in and says, I am the President's brother, and I want to fight with the President. Dressed like cowboys, they stood on the White House lawn, took three steps and turned around. The younger brother shot the elder brother dead, then took the oath of office according to the bible, and decided to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike against Russia. At this time the onlookers also have a lot of discussion, oh, the younger brother is really aboveboard to kill the elder brother, we want to support the new President!If you think this is ridiculous, who has ever seen the leader of a modern African country dueled?
@Joe Byrd Wow.
@Joe Byrd wtf？Do chinese ever do the same thing as whites treat blacks as slaves?
They were being racist against black panther
All i want is Kung Fu Hustle 2
is Chow still making movies. A Kung Fu Hustle 2 would be awesome.
Fuck that Amelican clap! Olange man bad!
The point is Fu was first created for White audiences, to please those "Yellow Peril" believers. Shang Chi was also created to be a "fighter" strongly against commuity China in origin. Now Marvel want to use same background to please Chinese. For many Chinese it's considered to be an offense. It is originally an ANTI-CHINESE comic, how could they moderize it to please Chinese. One of the comments from Chinese social media is interesting, I agree with it much."I gave your papa a bowl of rice with dirty mud. He refused. Now I take the mud off. I'm going to sell you the same bowl of rice."
@Anton A. That's the reason why he's called Captain America. I 've watched 2 of its movies. It's interesting, pretty good. Captain America is a typical Ameican hero. Perhaps Shang Chi will be another.Of course Marvel won't movie Shang Chi to tease Chinese on purpose. They are just doing business with Chinese audiences.However, it seems that Marvel is trying to work on a "How“ or "What" paper, the answer of some Chinese is "Can't".If Shang Chi's on play in China, there will surly & still be lots of audience because of the population. But IMO another kung-fu story could do better.
Captain America in his original comic depictions was using racist slurs. Somehow he was turned into a national icon despite that.
Shang chi was just marvel doing their own Bruce Lee. I remember when the book came out it was meh at best
Do you think an actual patriarchy, China and Russia even, will enjoy Lady Thor or gay Valkyrie or more Capt Marvel? Phase 4 is going to make a ton of money out of the gate but in a year it's done. MCU have thrown in a few interesting titles like Doctor Strange 2, Blade and........okay so a couple not a few. They're playing the same game they did with the placement of Capt. Marvel in between Infinity War and Endgame.
Am I the only one excited about Marvwl's version of a Kung Fu film?
Chinese are huge xenophobes. They don't want no stinking half-breed Western Asian in their movies. We've seen this before where movies with a Chinese theme flopped over there.
You realize they cast Tilda Swinton because China won't recognize Tibet, and they don't want to mistake the ancient one as being Tibetan... The Mandarin is a unless a racist caricature in a way, but more so he's a political figure in China's history from the Imperial days, but basically might as well be me calling a character the bureaucrat, but it's probably closer to calling a character the Uncle Tom. Its a mess trying to please other countries
@Anton A. I actually just explain that it meant bureaucrat... >_>)It comes from a time that the Chinese don't want referenced. They specifically don't want it reference by the Western world. More so the Mandarin in many ways is considered a proxy of foomanchew....And really all of the yellow scare villains.The yellow scare is what's offencive. This villain is representative of that.Now you couple that with the idea that they don't want the West criticizing them at all, because they at least constantly embroiled in ideological Warfare, and it makes sense. I mean are you aware of what has transpired in Hong Kong the last week or so? So... well he wasn't intended as such in your view. You have to understand how the Chinese are going to look at that. I meant Uncle Tom in levels of offense i.e... how they are treating it
1. The Mandarin never was a racist caricature. As someone who've read hundreds of Golden Age comics, all of which were filled with cartoonish imagery depicting minorities, I can say that the Mandarin would never fall into that definition. Especially his depictions from the modern age of comics. 2. A Mandarin is what beurocrats and scholars used to be called. How is that even the same as Uncle Tom? Uncle Tom has its negative connotations because its a name that gained its negative effect because of the character it was representing. The Mandarin is named after a title. It's like calling a French villain by the name Spider King. It's based on a real history.
The huge problem with the villain being Chinese born and not Western Chinese. China is a Communist country and has a very collective attitude and is not overall in love with Western ideals. So they are gonna get pissed off when you make your villain a native-born Chinese and the hero a Canadian born Chinese you insult the honour of their country. I think they catered to the Chinese market by not making the Mandarian Chinese in Iron Man 3 and they didn't cast an Asian character as The Ancient One in Dr Strange (politics of China and Tibet).
Elaine I promise the place is cooler than you think
Elaine Great! You should see what China looks like now compared to the old days. I’m not a big fan of my government but I do respect their accomplishments. I don’t think people should ignore the Econ bloom miracle in barely 20 years, which got accomplished by this government. They could’ve done better but they already did a good job. Try a different angle and see the country urself
@阮怿捷 Well his perspective is being a foreigner in China and he does love China. He has tons of them. I don't like the Chinese Government structure but have nothing but respect for the Chinese.
It’s not because of communist ideas man. Many Asian countries holds strong nationality proud in them (especially China and Japan).
Please look at Mulan actor first when Marvel you decides a female lead ,that's chinese' taste. Disney please teach Marvel this
Disney owns Marvel dumb cunt
that is actually not hard, the actress though not a box-office success is very famous in china,in most Chinese base asian countries too actually
We need a diabolic villain, the name is Dr. Marvel English. He is super bad, then he was finally killed by his son, Mr. Waterpipe.
You did bad research bro.Asians are mad at the casting decisions. They think the actors picked are not representative of Chinese looks.Basically as my wife said“ this ugly women is what Americans think Asians look like. You don’t what Asians find attractive you pick what white people find attractive.”All the comments your reading are liberal pc Americans. Chimes don’t care about anything but the aspect of picking what they think are “ ugly Asians that Americans fetishized.”
The man is not handsome, but OK for kungfu movie. The girl is way too ugly.
China sees through Marvel's bullsh*t. How will Marvel handle this? They will call all of China racist.
Just have a co director from China(the reps china ) to help build the story
Chinese don’t like getting slided or dissed just like Hollywood does that to white men or be on the right
The mcu is in trouble I say good China is pissed I'm tired of the mcu crap
The movie isn't even released bro...lol
Asians want to see whites people movies from the western world. They don’t care to see an interpretation of their culture by people that don’t know their culture. They have their own movies and shows for that. They don’t care about SJW opinions.
Yes you are missing something. As a south african person of afrikaans descent i can say we have a history of finding americans trying to speak afrikaans or even doing the acsent painful to watch, this is the same as foriegn people are the heroes for fighting a chinese character. it isnt problematic to you since you think they look the same but the audience sees the difference. basicly the movie is tasteless and thats all.
Thing is, people automatically just assume Fu Manchu -- unfortunate name, I realize -- is some horrible slam against Asians. I get that white actors have played Fu Manchu pretty much all the time, and that the character does epitomize Yellow Peril stereotypes. He was created at a time when strong Asian figures in Western media didn't really exist, though. And yet, Fu Manchu was a Darth Vader-level supervillain -- ruthless, cunning, very, very intelligent. A strong character. He was the STAR of his books and movies, and people who consumed those did so because of him. It certainly wasn't for whatever white MI-6 Agent happened to stumble into Fu Manchu's path.So, in the interest of keeping everything PC in today's day and age, you have people like Clint who have NO IDEA who Fu Manchu even is advocating for throwing the baby out with the bathwater -- tossing aside a strong Asian character with real historical importance.Mind you, I know Marvel would never even so much as name Fu Manchu in one of their films of today. The character's influence was so broad however, that the Mandarin came about as a clone-type villain BASED on Fu Manchu. And even he has his PC detractors.I'm sure whatever Marvel Studios DOES produce in a Shang-Chi movie will bend over backwards to please the Chinese market
The same kind of people who gave us Rose Tico now give us "Chinese superheroes".Memo to Liberal America: Asian foreigners are not Millennial Asian-americans from San Francisco.